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2012 Presidential Election: Romney vs. Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. bigtexxx

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    lol Bill Clinton having to spend all day in PA today to try to shore up the flank

    Wish his wife would have done something similar to keep our Libyan ambassador alive
     
  2. Nolen

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    So I'm poking around the electoral map at Real Clear Politics, which simply takes all the polls out there and averages them without any weighting.

    Looking at Ohio right now:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html

    In the six months of RCP average of polls, Romney has never lead in Ohio, ever. Narrowed the lead to under a percentage point post-debate, but even then never closed the gap.

    In the last thirty polls, only one has given Romney a lead of any kind. That was Ramussen on Oct 28th. The twenty nine other polls either have an Obama lead or a tie (six of them call a tie). Ramussens' latest poll on Nov 4th is also a tie.

    RCP average has him up by just 2.8% at present. It will be close, in any case. Still, I was surprised that such a huge data set shows Obama with a consistent lead.
     
  3. Nook

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    Come at me with something other than polls Brah... Seriously polls and a large sample size mean nothing because republicans are U-P-S-E-T. The writing is on the wall... Obama is DONE... The election is already decided.

    Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Iowa, Wisconsin, Nevada, Michigan, Colorado, New Hampshire, Minnesota and West Virginia are all going for Romney.

    He'll while Obama is eating caviar tomorrow at his home in Illinois, Romney will be campaigning in Ohio.

    U-P-S-E-T
     
  4. Commodore

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    Rasmussen just released their party affiliation data for October.
    GOP at 39.1% has never been higher, the 5.8% lead over Dems has also never been higher.

     
  5. basso

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    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/C0yvfV9Y8ws" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  6. basso

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    dataset is +35k voters.
     
  7. Nook

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    Rasmussen? .... Stopped reading.
     
  8. DonnyMost

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    Romney is going to be a welcome addition to the political graveyard.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    Yet Rasmussen's own polling still shows Romney pretty much tied with Obama.
     
  10. Major

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    So, just to clarify, you believe that Rasmussen gets it right when "what party do you identify with" but you don't believe the responses when they ask those same voters "who will you vote for"?

    Is that correct?
     
  11. mtbrays

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    I wish all of you would quit playing games with this. If you really want to get political, I wish President Bush had heeded the warnings about al-Qaeda determined to strike in the US and suspicious men taking flight lessons around the country.

    Both are tragedies. The victims of all of them were better humans than to be used as political playthings on both sides. Shut up. Respect their service and look to the future instead of retroactively finger pointing for your own laughs.

    I hate falling for the troll, but it's so disrespectful.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    What's disrespectful is the Obama administration trying to cover this up to score cheap political points. I bet the clown in the White House would have a hard time explaining his actions to Ambassador Stevens' mother.
     
  13. RocketMan Tex

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    Word....:grin:
     
  14. Major

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    Can't speak for his mother, but these are his father's own words:


    'It would really be abhorrent to make this into a campaign issue. The security matters are being adequately investigated. We don’t pretend to be experts in security. It has to be objectively examined. That’s where it belongs. It does not belong in the campaign arena.'


    I think his father would have a far bigger problem with you than with the Obama administration at this point.
     
  15. BigBird

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    well on that note I wish Clinton had allowed the CIA to kill Bin Laden when they had the chance in 1999
     
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    You would be wrong here too.

    “How can anyone place blame for his death,” Mary Commanday said. “These were circumstances beyond our government’s control. I am perfectly aware that there was danger. But he was a grown man, well-educated and careful. I knew he was out there doing good work. And as a mother, I had to make up my mind to be fine with it.”

    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/headline-ideas-170566666.html
     
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    It doesn't get more clear than that. Fantastic post on a really tough subject.
     
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    According to the last NBC / Marist Poll while Romney leads among independents late undecideds appear to be breaking for Obama.

    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...-and-racial-composition?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

    [rquoter]*** Romney up with independents, on economy: The good news for Romney in this national poll is that 53% of likely voters are comfortable with the idea of him as president, which ties Obama’s percentage on this question (although 39% are “very comfortable” with Obama versus 26% who are “very comfortable” with Romney). Also, Romney is ahead of Obama among independents, 47% to 40%. And the former Massachusetts governor leads Obama by five points on which candidate is better prepared to create jobs and grow the economy, 47%-42%. However, a majority of voters -- 52% -- say the economy is recovering.
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    *** Undecided vote breaking in Obama’s direction? Here’s one last point we want to make about our national poll: The survey found that 9% of the likely voters are up for grabs (meaning they’re undecided or just leaning to a candidate), and these folks have more positive feelings toward Obama than Romney. Obama’s job approval with them is 48% approve, 41% disapprove. What’s more, Obama’s fav/unfav with them is 46%/29%, vs. Romney’s upside down 22%-49%. Bottom line: Our pollsters see more of an opportunity for Obama among these voters and more of an uphill climb for Romney. [/rquoter]
     
  19. basso

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    Ras party ID track record.

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  20. Nook

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    My sister is working on the Romney campaign. At lunch on the phone she told me they still feel they have a shot, but are more resolute than a week ago that they must win Ohio and Governor Romney will be in Ohio campaigning tomorrow hoping for an 11th hour surge from the base. Until today the hope was to steal Wisconsin, Michigan and New Hampshire.

    She said the Romney campaign is confident they will carry Florida, Colorado and Carolina... but Nevada and Wisconsin are lost causes.

    I do not support Romney, but interesting to hear what they realistically view as their best strategy... Said they are real confident on Florida and Colorado.. Based on early voting they think they will win those two states by a fair amount.
     
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