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2012 Presidential Election: Romney vs. Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Please let us know what Mitt will be doing should he win the Presidency. Because nowhere on his website does it say. Nowhere in any of the debates when given the chance did Mitt say. The media can't seem to come up with the information.

    So if you have it, please share with us, and then alert the media so they can know.
     
  2. jopatmc

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    1. The condition of the entire globe.

    2. The condition of the United States.

    3. The attitude of the electorate. (happy, sad, angry, satisified, dissatisified, motivated, lackluster, which party has the most members that extremely interested in the election)

    4. The party split of registered voters by state.

    5. The party split of registered voters most likely to vote.

    6. The current problems, successes, and failures of the United States of America economically.

    7. The current problems, successes, and failures of the United States of America in foreign relations.

    8. The past record of the candidates running for office.

    9. The future vision of the candidates running for office (What they want to do) and how that is playing with the independent voters.

    10. The personal background of the candidates and whether or not they have been vetted.

    11. Polls and their political motives, connections, and skews.

    12. Any significant gaffes or misstatements by the candidates as the race winds down to the end if it is still close.




    All of these things will produce a certain momentum and positive energy towards the end of a political race. That doesn't change unless something very significant happens. That momentum is on Mitt's side. His campaign is positive and firing on all cylinders. It's obvious when you listen to both men speak and when you watch the supporters on the trail here in the last few days.

    Obama is d-o-n-e.
     
  3. Major

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    And what specifically are those things? Good of you to admit that he hasn't remotely spelled out what he plans to do over the next 4 years though.

    Probably nothing unique, since it would just be another day in his continued Presidency. It would be pretty stupid to plan for something on that day, when he could just as easily do the same things over the next 2 months.
     
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    That's been all over your television set today. You could've heard it from his lips multiple times. You apparently aren't paying attention.
     
  5. jopatmc

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    Here it comes again.
     
  6. mc mark

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    Mr Romney has no idea what is about to hit him.

    Obama Camp Claims 1.8 Million New Swing State Voter Registrations

    In a memo sent to reporters, the Obama campaign said it opened more than 5,000 get-out-the-vote “staging locations” Saturday morning in advance of the big push for votes Tuesday. Based in homes and businesses, the GOTV locations are “localized versions” of Obama field offices from which teams of volunteers using what the campaign says is advanced software will coordinate efforts to win the battleground states.

    The campaign revealed some impressive results from its grassroots operations so far. Team Obama says the campaign has registered 1,792,261 new voters across the battleground states. That’s “nearly double the number of voters the Obama campaign registered in 2008,” according to the campaign.
     
  7. Major

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    Either that or you can't name them.
     
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    how can jop name them when Mr. Etch n Sketch can't name them without taking it back the next day?
     
  10. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>IOWA: Among early voters, Dems beat GOP by 11% in 2004, 17% in 2008. Today, Dems up by 10%. (GOP always wins election day voters).</p>&mdash; Adrian Gray (@adrian_gray) <a href="https://twitter.com/adrian_gray/status/264896456857632769" data-datetime="2012-11-04T01:06:51+00:00">November 4, 2012</a></blockquote>
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  11. Major

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    The problem with all these early voter things is that McCain had a terrible early voting ground game. So Romney is better by default - which is great if that ground game is getting *new* voters. But if they are just turning out election day voters early, it doesn't really mean a lot and would just mean Romney would win election day voters by a smaller margin. Same is true for the Obama campaign - this all makes early voting analysis difficult. All we really know is that both sides are banking lots of voters. The Obama campaign seems to be keeping pace with or exceeding 2008, but the Romney campaign is exceeding the McCain campaign by larger margins.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    Wrong. Romney has not laid out any specifics. Please tell us his tax plan!
     
  13. Major

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    As an example of what I was saying, early voting in 2008 was 481,000 people. In 2012, it's already 613,000 people. If that's all new voters, that's likely a plus for Romney. If that's just people voting earlier, then winning that by a smaller margin is not necessarily a problem for Obama. If everyone voted early and he won the early vote by just 1%, he'd win the election, for example.
     
  14. Cannonball

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    1. Cut taxes
    2. ??????
    3. PROFIT!!!!!!
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    The Romney campaign doesn't have time to do the math for you, sorry.
     
  16. A_3PO

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    The Romney campaign doesn't have time for reality, just like many supporters currently in meltdown mode. It's sad.
     
  17. mc mark

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    Bill Clinton is screaming himself horse this evening for the President.
     
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    The Des Moines Register own polling is giving the edge to Obama in the final stretch. Also some news regarding the tweet that Commodore posted.

    http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...l-stretch-in-iowa-gives-edge-to-obama/article
    Iowa Poll: Final stretch in Iowa gives edge to Obama

    Iowa Poll: Final stretch in Iowa gives edge to Obama
    6:59 PM, Nov 3, 2012 | by |
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    © 2012 Des Moines Register and Tribune Company

    Iowans are feeling more optimistic about where the nation is headed, and they’re giving President Barack Obama the credit.

    Obama is up 5 percentage points in Iowa, leading Republican Mitt Romney 47 percent to 42 percent, according to a new Des Moines Register Iowa Poll, although the results also contain signs of hope for Romney, political strategists said.

    Obama barely edges Romney on the question of which candidate would do the best job of fixing the economy, the primary argument of Romney’s campaign, the poll shows.

    Romney has gained an edge with his frequent claims in the campaign’s final weeks that he can best quell the country’s snarling partisanship by bringing Democrats and Republicans together. But he’s having trouble getting Iowa voters to trust him.

    In what continues to shape up as an ultra-tight race nationally, losing Iowa, with its small cache of six Electoral College votes, would complicate Romney’s chances for winning the presidency.

    Democratic pollster Margie Omero said: “If Romney can’t catch up here, he probably can’t catch up elsewhere. Without Iowa and Ohio, Romney’s path to victory is incredibly narrow.”

    GOP strategist David Polyansky countered that Romney can and will win the White House, with or without Iowa.

    “There is no doubt winning Iowa would be a fantastic plus for Governor Romney,” he said. “However, more than one pathway exists for the governor that does not necessarily include Iowa.”

    The poll of 800 Iowa likely voters was conducted by Selzer & Co. of Des Moines from Tuesday through Friday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

    “There are things that could happen today and Monday that would shape the final outcome,” said pollster J. Ann Selzer. “Nobody need be over-confident.”

    Romney now seen as better ‘uniter’

    Republicans voiced optimism over one glaring difference in voters’ opinions since the Register’s late September poll: Romney is now seen as more likely than President Barack Obama to unite people despite political differences, said GOP strategist Alex Castellanos.

    “Being a ‘uniter not a divider’ is a prerequisite for a president getting things done in Washington, which is what voters are looking for,” Castellanos said. “Romney may be winning the ‘delivering results’ battle.”

    But the poll bears mostly rays of sunshine for Obama. Not only does he lead in the horse race, he inspires more confidence than Romney in handling relations with other countries, and he bests Romney considerably in four of five character traits tested.

    The poll shows that 42 percent of likely voters have already cast ballots, including more than half of all seniors who plan to participate in this election. That’s a striking difference from four years ago, when the Iowa Poll showed only 28 percent had mailed in an absentee ballot or voted at a local elections office or satellite station at this point.

    Said Omero, the Democratic pollster: “With so many Iowans already having voted, and with reports showing more early voting Democrats than Republicans, it will be very difficult for Romney to catch up.”

    But GOP strategists expect Election Day voters will be substantially higher in Iowa than this poll forecasts. Historically in Iowa, a higher percentage of Democrats than Republicans participates in early voting, but a higher percentage of Republicans turns out on Election Day. Republican nominee John McCain won more votes than Obama on Election Day in 2008. In his 2004 re-election bid, President George W. Bush also won more votes in Iowa on Election Day and won the state, overcoming Democrat John Kerry’s lead in early voting.

    Obama is up 22 points among early voters. Among those planning to vote on Tuesday, Romney wins by 8 points. The poll shows early voting has been heaviest in the 2nd and 3rd congressional districts, which include Des Moines, Iowa City, Davenport and Council Bluffs, and lighter in steadfastly Republican northwest Iowa.

    Better economy benefits Obama

    A hurdle for Romney: Iowa’s economic outlook is brightening, and that weakens Romney’s argument for change, Castellanos said.

    Likely Iowa voters are less pessimistic and more confident that the nation is on the right track than they have been since May 2003, in the days of a healthier economy and “mission accomplished.”

    Fully 48 percent of likely voters think things are going well right now. About the same proportion, 49 percent, think the nation is on the wrong track, an improvement from a month ago when 54 percent said “wrong track.”

    As the national economy has brightened slowly but steadily, Iowa’s outlook has been even better. Job growth here outpaces the nation as a whole. Unemployment in Iowa is 5.2 percent — 2.7 points lower than the national rate. Some Iowa counties are approaching full employment and even facing labor shortages. Other bright spots have been the farm economy, on a years-long upswing, and a harvest this year that beat drought-rattled expectations.

    Poll respondent Donyale Crutcher, 43, a forklift operator from Cedar Rapids and independent voter, said that he sees lots of once laid-off Iowans going back to work: “I’m working. People that I know who got laid off are working.”

    Asked about feeling inspired and optimistic or angry and pessimistic, 65 percent of likely Iowa voters said optimistic.

    Obama’s supporters are slightly more likely than Romney supporters to describe their mood as inspired and optimistic (76 percent to 62 percent of Romney supporters).

    Obama gets higher marks than Romney for being the candidate that “cares the most about people like you” and for being the stronger leader.

    More Iowa voters think Romney than Obama would be better at reducing the federal budget than Obama.

    Poll respondent Gerry Mullane, 69, a Republican from Des Moines who works as a professional recruiter, thinks Romney has the ideal business skills the country needs.

    “I think that we definitely need a change, and I just don’t think that our country is going in the right direction at all,” she said.

    Negative ads seen as hurting Romney

    Romney’s personal attributes are suffering: He is seen as less trustworthy by a margin of 10 points, less honest by 10 points and less caring than the president by 15 points.

    “Mitt Romney goes into the final few days of this general election bearing the bruises of two hard-fought campaigns,” Castellanos said. “He is still suffering the scars of the tough negative campaign run against him by his own party in the GOP primary and those inflicted upon him in the general by Barack Obama.”

    Obama has roundly attacked Romney in negative TV ads and at rallies in Iowa, attempting to undermine voters’ opinions of Romney’s character, his business career at Bain Capital and his record governing in Massachusetts. Obama also has sought to label Romney as someone whose positions shift depending on his audience.

    Joe Trippi, a longtime Democratic campaign strategist, said those attacks, in combination with policy positions that many middle-class voters see as favoring the wealthy, have thwarted Romney’s progress in Iowa.

    The president has run 51 different TV ads here, spending $20.6 million in Iowa alone.

    Poll respondent Rhonda Hammonds, 50, an independent voter and housewife from Knoxville, said she thinks Romney cares only about the rich. “What about us poor folk?” she said.

    “Since he started talking, I haven’t believed a word out of his mouth,” Hammonds said.

    Just 2 percent remain undecided, and 5 percent declined to share their choice.

    Seven percent say they could still change their minds. Among that small group, a plurality of 48 percent describe themselves as angry and pessimistic, double the overall average.

    A majority of Iowa voters (53 percent) say the outcome of the election will affect them a lot. It’s higher with women (59 percent) than men (47 percent), and higher with tea party supporters (59 percent) and union households (70 percent).

    Both candidates have locked in their support: 95 percent for Obama and 96 percent for Romney say their minds are made up.

    Obama has a more limited chance of attracting crossover voters like he did four years ago: 6 percent of Republicans are with Obama, and 3 percent of Democrats are voting for Romney. Independents tilt to Romney, 41 percent to 37 percent.

    Altogether, these results show a race mostly unchanged since the Register’s Sept. 23-26 poll, Omero said.

    “Voters have improved economic optimism, benefiting Obama,” Omero said. “Romney lags in personality traits, and can’t make up that deficit through his positions on issues. Early voting and enthusiasm seem to further benefit Obama. And so once again we might see, as Iowa goes, so goes the country.”

    Register columnist Kathie Obradovich and pollster J. Ann Selzer discuss the results:

    GOING BEHIND THE NUMBERS

    President Barack Obama does best with union households (31 points better than Mitt Romney), unmarried voters (up 28 points), younger voters (up 17), those with no more than a high school education (up 16), seniors (up 12), in the 1st Congressional District in eastern and southeastern Iowa (up 12) and with women (up 11 points).

    Obama, a Democrat, also does well with Iowans who did not participate in the 2010 election, winning 53 percent to 31 percent among this group.

    Romney, a Republican, does best with evangelicals (26 points better than Obama), voters in Iowa’s 4th Congressional District in northwest Iowa (up 19 points), married moms (up 18), affluent voters (up 17), married voters (up 10), middle-age voters (up 9), people with minor children (up 5), and with men (up 3).
    ABOUT THE IOWA POLL

    The Iowa Poll, conducted Oct. 30 to Nov. 2 for The Des Moines Register by Selzer & Co. of Des Moines, is based on interviews with 925 Iowans ages 18 or older. Interviewers contacted households with randomly selected landline and cell phone numbers. Responses were adjusted by age and sex to reflect the general population based on recent Census data.

    Questions based on a subsample of 800 likely voters have a maximum margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. This means that if this survey were repeated using the same questions and the same methodology, 19 times out of 20, the findings would not vary from the percentages shown here by more than plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. Results based on smaller samples of respondents, such as by gender or age, have a larger margin of error.

    To qualify as likely Iowa voters, respondents had to say they live in Iowa and will definitely vote or have already voted in the November 2012 general election. Republishing the copyright Iowa Poll without credit to The Des Moines Register is prohibited.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm watching the SNL parody of Fox and Friends and it is almost frightening how much it is like what is being posted on D&D these days.
     
  20. Nook

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    No, let's keep in mind that you said Silver would have the odds at 50/50 come Election Day.. You love trying to wiggle out of your claims, but you are not getting out of this one...
     

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