If any of you guys were on the Knicks forum last year like Realgm, you'll see that this is nothing new. I think that the scrutiny is due to a few things. 1) Drastic change of forum. I wasn't on this forum last year but I'll bet that the traffic is nothing like it is now. I can sympathize with vet members that feel that they've been blitzkreig'd by new members but this should be a good thing to receive an abundance of new fans that want to share the passion. Hopefully you'll come to realize that we are true fans as well. 2) Drastic change of the team. Many fans here are still stuck with the notion that Dragic and Lowry should still be Rockets. They are gone and its time to move on. It was all business, just remember that they did not leave Houston because of Lin. Both of them could not work out terms with the Rockets so they're gone. Lin came in afterwards, so why not try to support him rather than compare his every step to the former two? 3) They hate on Lin because they hate the LOF'ers, which stand for Lin only fans. Again, I can sympathize with vet members as well when it comes to LOFs and even LORs (Lin only Reporters) from China that know little about basketball and routinely ask r****ded questions. But you will see that many of us "LOFs" are quite knowlegeable about basketball and we want to root for the other players on the team as well, not just Lin. 4) The LOHs, Lin only haters or as in NY we call them the SAS (Stephen A Smith) crowd. SAS has been hating on Lin since day 1 and he's still at it from his tweet yesterday LOL. I've seen some of these type of members here already, they will always have a grudge on Lin no matter what. I wonder how you can be a true Rockets fan and hate on player on your team that much. I still root for the Knicks because I've grown to like them last year but SAS made me dislike Melo. He was a big reason for causing a separation between Lin and Melo. I'm really glad to see that there is no SAS in Houston that is trying to cause a rift between Harden and Lin (knock on wood). Anyhow, as I mentioned in a previous post, I think as being new members here we should try to blend in without being too annoying and respecting the vet members for their knowledge as being long-time Rocket fans. A the same time, vet members should also try to be more tolerant, realizing that most of us are trying to become true Rockets fans as well, just not Lin fans.
Sure, and Lin has his gigantic herd of supporter here (and frankly, most regular posters here haven't even been criticizing him since the regular season began). One of the reasons I bring up Steve is because as I recall, the YOFs were probably the most vocal in their criticism of Steve. Kind of funny.
This is utterly stupid. Why don't you just simply blame the FO? It happened they are the ones to get rid of Lowry and Dragic, but not Lin. If this is not hatred, then I don't know what is.
Lin has had a problem with turnovers even before he was n Houston. That's a bullet he will have to dodge wherever he goes. 2 games in the season so far, two sets of commentators from the opposing team. Bot have mentioned that he is turnover prone. His reputation has carried over from people watching him in NY. Keep in mind that he is a PG and he has more of a responsibility to take care of the ball than other players. Personally, I think he will always be turnover prone (it is the way he dribbles), but he can off-set that by contributing more in other areas. Also, whether you like it or not, for the time being at least, his performance will be measured against Dragic's. Rocket fans are not going to be too happy if Dragic's performance exceeds that of Lin's. Lin fans should actually be thankful that this team has Harden. Having Harden on the team takes some pressure off of him, on and off the court.
well maybe you should stop trying to troll them... if you are trying to get a reaction out of a LOF fan... or catch one thinking Lin is the best basketball player in the whole wide world... you are not going to get it... most LOFs think Lin is a young player with "potential" and thats about it... there is no GOD factor, or best player in the world worshiping... their draw too him is.... the RUDY Ruettiger underdog story...
True, but Lin also has a horde of detractors from the get-go to go along with his supporters on these postings. It's like people joined up either to say they like the guy, or the opposite. It's just what it is.
Trust me, a lot of Lin fans think that having harden is the best case scenario for a backcourt partner. At least I do, I always felt a ball-handling sg similar to Brandon Roy would helped. And ya I notice harden, delfino and parson brings the ball up so that helps.
Actually, I found that interesting as well. Alot of teams get an influx of fans when they sign a new player, especially for a significant contract. And you do see some veteran fan backlash especially if they lost a previous player. However, most of the time what you do NOT see is alot of people signing up just to bash that player. It's a pretty unusual phenomenon if you ask me. It's like some people find Lin to be a very polarizing figure like Tebow for some reason. What's funny is I get the Tebow thing... he was put on a pedastel in the media in SPITE of weeks of underwhelming stats. Lin on the other hand was put on a pedastel initially BECAUSE of great initial stats (in combination with other aspects of his story). It's just a wierd situation... and I've been following basketball for over 25 years...
That is true, Lin's performance will be measured. but it is not only with Dragic. Most new comers are not knowing Dragic but know Lin well. What is the reason? Because he did play on All-start level and created a globe excitement Linsanity and saved Knick's season in NY. Dragic didn't and people never had a chance heard his name. Since Dragic is not on the team, we need to support our new team.
Some valid points. Please realize that Lin is not without faults and is still learning and improving as well. As for being compared to Dragic/Lowry I guess this is natural, even on the Knicks board they try not to talk about Lin but it always surfaces in their threads lol. Believe me, I am very happy to have Harden take the pressure off of Lin. What makes me happier is that they seem to genuinely play well together and have a positive vibe together, unlike Lin/Melo.
for a site filled with basketball junkies, number crunchers etc etc.... it shocking how they are oblivious to the facts these guys are... even the casual basketball fan around the league knows the Rox organization let go of Lowry and Dragic, because of their wish to get Howard... or go lottery we even know... you did not want to give Dragic a 4th year players option... because your plans was too get a star player what makes it even worse... is it seems like longtime contributing members on this site saying it too.. while they make fun of LOFs, for not knowing basketball bottom line ... look at all the "new players" contracts like Lins and Asiks contracts... they say to me in 3 years time we can trade them or let them expire compared to Harden's current 5 year contract... because Howard... wouldnt commit to more than a 1 year stint... Lin was a band aid on a bad situation... Les thinking Lin will probably fill a few more seats... and maybe he cements his ties with his Asian business ventures in China... at least LOFs know it...
As much as people say Lin benefits from Harden. Harden also benefits from him. It definitely goes both ways. We saw that in the Detroit game very clearly when Lin was in foul trouble. The two of them play really well together. In regards to his turnovers, Nash has led the league in TO's for years now. But he is such a great shooter & passer & gets a lot of assits that it balances out. If Lin keeps grabbing boards, getting steals & just playing the right way it will balance out his turnovers. McHale said it best Lin is just another one of his unfinished products. People act like he is a seasoned veteran. In regards to his shooting he was never a great shooter. His skill set came from attacking the basket going to the FT line. He still needs to find his shooting touch but I think all of that will come.
I be cautiously optimistic about it. He did show improvement in his 3 pt shooting in each college season and it got better after his rookie year. My hope is that he gradually improve his jumpshot. He did hit a few three pointers including the game winner against Toronto. Realgm fans hated ppl like me cheering for the opposing team lol.
I don't mean this in a rude way, but your posts are very hard to read because of your inexplicable paragraph breaks. :grin:
sorry I type... while I am thinking what to say... I should go back and fix it up but then this is a bullboard
His TO's haven't been that bad the first two games. Harden's had more TO's but doesn't get the grief. I think your speculation is right on about compensating in other areas. That's why Harden doesn't get the grief. Overtime Lin will have a problem with TO's, though the other things on the floor he does will definitely compensate for them. To everyone that says Lin is lucky to have Harden on the team is exactly right. Before Harden got here, Lin was going to be expected to carry this team, be the go-to guy in the 4th quarter, and make a bunch of 1st and 2nd year guys play like veterans. That would have been expected of Lin, and anytime he didn't do all of that the criticism would have been a million times worse than it is now. Bottom line is that both Lin and Harden are good for each other, and good for the Rockets. It's fair to criticize them should either of them consistently screw up. But we've won two games against physical teams on the road to open the season. Harden has been a beast and done everything a star can do for a team. Lin has been solid, kept his TO's under control, and been solid at running the team's offense. As a fan, I'll cheer for Lin, and Harden, and be happy for our success.
No, we didn't let go two better point guards to give Lin. Lowry's deal brought Harden to Houston, a very smart move of Morey when nobody can see the value of Lowry's trade. Dragic wanted a payer option which Morey doesn't like to give to anyone.
