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The Lowry-Dragic vs. Lin Tracking Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JCDenton, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Sherlockfever

    Sherlockfever Rookie

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    Harden + Lin < Harden + either of ex PGs??

    Harden + Lin < Harden + either of ex PGs??

    when it comes to 1+1 > 2, what are the major factors? chemistry? complement styles? good luck? or simply two better players?

    Facts are:
    1. Harden and Lin seem to have this chemistry thing since D1
    2. Harden and Lin can share the ball fairly well

    3. the two ex PGs seemed not to be able to co-exist well with another guard (in this case, each other) who can both pass and score ...it is a question mark whether they can co-exist well with Harden who also is strong in both passing and scoring

    maybe the two ex's are better than Lin individually speaking, but I really doubt who will create better synergy when it comes to Harden.
     
  2. Clutch

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    Moot point on Lowry -- he was part of the Harden trade (Lowry to Toronto for first rounder, that first rounder to OKC as part of the Harden deal).

    Only debate is/was Goran vs. Lin.
     
  3. delta69er

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    Well at least that Toronto pick helped us get Harden
     
  4. Billionzz

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    Your right about that so maybe he did us a favor.
     
  5. Coban Hutton

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    My feeling is Dragic and Lin are similar players, with one being younger and having more upside, the other more seasoned and experienced.

    Even Lin said Dragic was the most similar player to him. They also get paid roughly the same.

    I love the chemistry between Harden and Lin, though. My feeling is that Lin is a team player who can exist on many different teams. He played outstanding under MDA, but then he played well too when Woodson was his coach and he had to defer to Melo and Amare, though of course they were still playing most of MDA's offense.
     
  6. nono

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    I don't really know. Our offense looks completely different when either player is on the bench. When Lin is on the bench opposing teams can just double Harden. However, when they are both on the court they can create good shots for one another, as Harden did when Lin shot those long 2 pointers. We are just very hard to guard when they are both playing since they can both pretty easily get into the paint and then kick it out with the defense collapsing on them.

    The other reason is that we don't really have any other good ball handler. Getting rid of Livingston might make sense financially but Tony Douglas just is not up to the task. People on here who have watched Tony play for the Knicks will know what I am talking about. He is very very poor, and if he is your backup point guard, you are going to be in trouble. Tony Douglas himself is not that cheap, so he should not be in the team in place of Livingston. Our backup point guard situation is very worrying.

    Anyways, if both Harden and Lin sit on the bench it is hard to imagine where the offense would come from. Asik has poor offensive game. Chandler Parsons is very hit and miss. Delfino can't create his own shot. Morris is poor. And these are our starters. I really hope either trade for a power forward or have some stop gap measure to just get someone here for a 1 year contract ? We would look much better with a competent forward.
     
  7. nono

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    Anyways we have two guys who can get into the paint at will. This is a great luxury. Makes our games fun to watch.
     
  8. AvgJoe

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    imo Harden took some points and assists that suppose to be Lin's. Not that I'm saying he shouldn't, he should, but this hurts Lin's stats. And this is only 1 game, and Lin only played with Harden for 1 practice prior to this. Give it time, when the sample size is in double digits, we can draw better conclusions.
    And I agree with many other posted before me, we cannot compare Lin with Lowry, since Lowry landed us Harden, and it is not that we wanted to trade him, he asked to be traded. Lin and Gragic is a good comparison. Again, I think only time will tell which one of them is better, but in any case, I do not think signing Lin is a faiture.
     
  9. alethios

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    DD does
     
  10. Linsanity 2.0

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    Completely inaccurate, I'm assuming you are basing your analysis on a preseason game against Westbrook, and not the other 25 games he started. Lin, if he has any sort of troubles with a certain PG mold, has a problem with the quicker and smaller guards. Supposedly he tightened his handles this offseason, and so far, his ball handling skills look like they've improved.

    BTW, no one stops Russel Westbrook, except Russel Westbrook.
     
  11. TMac&Cheese

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    If we take best qualities of Lowry + Dragic then equal Lin.
     
  12. AdrenaLINe

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    not even sure what there is to debate... Lin wasnt even here... when the Rox decided to shake things up and dump virtually all the established Rox players..

    to get Howard...

    you guys are comparing a guy who you did not want to give money and a player option to..

    to a player you never thought you were going to get in the first place..

    id rather compare

    how many seats are filled in his Knicks games

    vs how many seats are filled in a typical Rox game...
     
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  13. ERC

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    Your team gets a win and you think it's a complete failure?!?! :confused: Just to confirm - you ARE a Rockets fan, right?
     
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    Thus far?!? Lol. There's been ONE GAME!! ONE!! And we won and he was a big factor. Jeez. You're not only a troll but an fn tard
     
  15. Akim523

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    Jcdenton, where's your detailed chart? :rolleyes:
     
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    The thread is not that bad just the intention isn't good. We shouldn't hate on Lin or on our GM.
    With Lowry we would have a lot of hustle in our Lineup. I will never forget Lowry chasing down players and swat away their shots. Just imagine Harden and Lowry in our Lineup. A combination no one likes to play against.
    But so it is also with Lin and Harden. We should forget about Lowry and Dragic and support the PGs we have right now.
     
  18. kinein

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    Since Harden and Lowry was never going to be possible since the Lowry trade provided some of the chips to get Harden. I don't think there is a point in imagining ~ but since we are talking about "impossibilities"


    I would like to imagine Harden + michael jordan + kareem abdul jabar + lin + kobe bryant on the same Rockets team. Nice post btw I just wanted to join in on imagining hehe.

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    I'll just replay Lin chasing down Rose and swatting him.
     
  19. Spiegel

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    I've seen a scrub like Chris Jent block Gary Payton does that mean Jent>.Payton. I mean comon. We all like Lin because he plays for us, but this repeated clip proves nothing.
     
  20. cfansnet

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    The thread is bad because it's just one game.

    Lin's first 25 starts were better than most players and yet those trolls are saying that's not enough say he's a good player. Ok, fine, I can accept that.

    However they also say this one game is enough to prove to them that he's not good :confused:
     
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