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2012 Presidential Election: Romney vs. Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. jopatmc

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    ..yes.
     
  2. BigBenito

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    My impression is of a guy being a smart alec, not knowing who he is talking about.
     
  3. A_3PO

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    Don't forget the Lakers are defending NBA champions because low-post scoring is the most important thing in the NBA and Jared Sullinger will set the NBA on fire and eventually join the Hall of Fame.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kIfOjkB17BA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    He would probably bring back Andromeda without realizing he had the wrong show. :p
     
  6. mc mark

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    Romney is going to regret this ad


    Misleading Romney Auto Ad Backfires With Media

    In news articles, tweets, and other media, members of the national press, usually reluctant to criticize campaigns directly, have taken Romney to task for running a misleading TV ad creating the false impression that Jeep will ship jobs to China because of President Obama’s auto rescue.
     
  7. Major

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    I'm not so sure about that - while it's great to talk about, if you're still undecided at this point, you're a pretty low information voter for the most part. And in that case, you're more likely to be influenced by ads than hear the political media class fact-checking it or anything like that. The only way it hurts him is if it makes the national broadcast news that he's lying in his ads, and that seems fairly unlikely - especially with political coverage being limited anyway by the hurricane. If you're going to lie, the last week of the campaign is a great time to do it.
     
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    Barack acting all Commander In Chief POTUS style during election crunch time and National State of Emergency crisis mode...
     
  9. mc mark

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    This ad is running in states that have been saturated with politics for a year. Especially about the auto bailout. I'm dubious there are low information voters in WI, OH & MI. Don’t you think most people seeing it won't have a facepalm moment?
     
  10. peleincubus

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    you never know what could help. if a certain state ends up being as close as florida a few things could tilt the entire state because you changed a 1000 people's mind.
     
  11. Commodore

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    Why are they building in China instead of here?
     
  12. Rocketman95

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    Probably for the same reason Ford and GM build their cars in China for that market. Or Toyota building here.
     
  13. NewRoxFan

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    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/26/jeep-china-romney-offshoring-wrong-false-gm/
     
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    The bolded part is just priceless. What universe is this writer living in? When has the media ever been reluctant to directly criticize a (Republican) campaign?
     
  15. Kyakko

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    I'm watching the Clinton speech in Ohio. Obama, must be thanking his stars Clinton is on his side. He's a good speech giver. Great tone, enthusiastic and convincing. Just detailed enough to not be boring and vague enough have most people agree.
     
  16. mc mark

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    If the media had done it's job and called Romney on his mendacity and fabrications this election he would have dropped out during the primaries in shame. Even Newt called him the most dishonest debater in history.
     
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    FTFY.

    why did he fly to vegas after Benghazi?
     
  18. ROXTXIA

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    Because they also have phones in Vegas, and he wasn't going to fly to Benghazi for a phone op, and aren't you guys just the weeeeee bit tired of this?
     
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    Why did he skip his intelligence briefing to go to the fundraiser in Vegas?
     
  20. Major

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    Probably because, like Reagan who attended virtually zero of his Presidential briefings, there are multiple ways to communicate information, and Obama normally gets his in writing. And amazingly, you can read (and call people) from a plane.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...00cb63e-04fc-11e2-8102-ebee9c66e190_blog.html

    George W. Bush “wanted personal and oral, and that matched CIA’s institutional interest in face to face with the president, much better for their bureaucratic politics, but unclear how good it was for presidential decision making,” he said. “On Iraq WMD [weapons of mass destruction], the direct brief was clearly pernicious; reading might have pointed to the dissents, but the briefers did not.”

    In contrast, Bill “Clinton the reader was known to comment that his morning papers were better than the intel brief, and better written — to the point that the CIA director James Woolsey joked that when that Cessna crashed into the White House, that was him seeking an audience with the president.”

    Richard Nixon also had few, if any, oral briefings and instead received his intelligence from the morning memo of his national security adviser, Henry Kissinger.

    According to a CIA history of the PDB written by John L. Helgerson:

    Throughout the Nixon presidency, the PDB was delivered by courier to Kissinger’s office. Each day Kissinger delivered to the President a package of material that included the PDB along with material from the State Department, the White House Situation Room, the Joint Chiefs, and others. Nixon would keep the material on his desk, reading it at his convenience throughout the day. Feedback to the Agency typically was provided by Kissinger directly to the DCI.

    Interestingly, the history says that Gerald Ford, who became president when Nixon resigned, decided to add an oral briefing from a CIA official as his first meeting of the morning so he would be better prepared for foreign-policy discussions with Kissinger, who had become Secretary of State.

    Jimmy Carter scrapped the oral briefing and instead relied on a one-on-one meeting with his national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski. But he wrote frequent comments on the PDB, so that “the CIA received considerably more feedback from Carter than it had from Ford,” the history said.

    Ronald Reagan, meanwhile, also almost never received oral briefings or had meetings with CIA personnel. Here is how the CIA history puts it:

    Agency officers who provided daily intelligence support to the White House during the Reagan administration remember that his several national security advisers varied markedly in the time and attention they devoted to the PDB. In all cases, however, they received the Agency’s briefer every day, read the PDB, and ensured that it was forwarded to the President.

    Thinking back over the eight years of the two Reagan administrations, the Agency’s briefing officer remembered only one or two occasions when the National Security Adviser took him into the Oval Office to brief the President directly. Unlike Carter, Reagan almost never wrote comments or questions on the PDB.

    Then, George H.W. Bush, who had once served as CIA director, reinstituted an oral briefing, read the PDB closely and even examined raw intelligence reports. “CIA’s relationship with Bush was undoubtedly the most productive it had enjoyed with any of the nine presidents it served since the Agency’s founding in 1947,” concluded the history, which was written in 1996.
     

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