I wasn't even responding to you originally which is why you're probably confused. He said missiles were fired into Israel "every day." I asked him to tell us what kind of missiles the Palestinians are supposedly firing into Israel "every day"? I still haven't received an answer. Again, you or him should also tell us what kind of munitions Israel fires into Palestine and how often they do so as well. Also, since the Palestinians are living under an illegal military occupation since 1967, do they have the right to resist? Last, since this thread is about apartheid, did you support the apatheid regime in South Africa? If so, why? If not, why would you support an apartheid regime in Israel?
Yes, Palestinians have the right to resist. However, that shouldn't include random firing into civilian areas, or terrorism.
I haven't seen anyone blame the people of Israel and Jews. To accuse people of that in this thread where nobody has pushed anything that resembles that is a cop out. Israel doesn't, and hasn't taught peace, just like the Palestinians haven't. Sadly it goes both ways. Also not that anyone should hate anybody else, but you mentioned you wanted people to stop hating those that have done more harm than good. If someone was going to hate somebody else, I would think those would be the ones to target the hate at. Like I said both sides are there teaching the hate and dehumanizing the other side. What would help both sides achieve peace would be for just one side (either side) to start doing the right thing. If Israel stopped occupying Palestinian territories, having laws that discriminate against Palestinians based on nothing more than their ethnicity, oppressing Palestinians, strike down all the regulations that currently say Palestinians can not own businesses that compete with Israeli businesses and allow the Palestinians a chance to prosper terrorism would greatly decrease, if not disappear in time. If the Palestinians would stop preaching that Israelis were evil bent on destroying them, and that they were humans who loved their families just like Palestinians do, stop using any form of terrorism against Israelis, use massive peaceful protests, and punish any Palestinians who were caught using terrorism, they would be able to get a far better settlement and treatment from Israel, and probably their own autonomous state. If either side did those things no matter how many times or what tactics the other side did, and the lack of reciprocation would not be an excuse to stop doing those things, the peace process would have a better chance of working. Sadly there is only a miniscule chance of that ever happening. Things like this make it more difficult for anything like that to happen.
Can you provide any proof that Israeli state television would "teach hate" like Palestinian state television does in the video I posted (and there are many others)?
Neither sides need videos. They'll hate each other plenty without them. A few Israeli chicks told me that they hate Muslims to my face when I was in Vegas. Didn't stop one of them to do the dirty with one though
Well Israel's govt. having different laws for how much water a person can use based on whether they are Palestinian or an Israeli teaches hate, and that one isn't worth as much as the other. Also things like this http://electronicintifada.net/content/textbook-case-israeli-propaganda/3983 There's also this book which you may want to read that talks about Israeli education is full of anti-Palestinian propaganda. http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Israeli-School-Books-Propaganda/dp/1845118138 Should you actually be interested you could read it. This also points out propaganda by both sides. I actually just found this one when I was searching through my other links. http://voices.yahoo.com/propaganda-battle-between-israel-palestine-4659077.html
You tried really hard here, but could not provide anything that would be nearly as dehumanizing and hateful as the Palestinian state TV video I posted.
Wrong. Like I said both sides do bad, both sides do things that dehumanize the other. One is being oppressed, and the other is oppressing them. Both use inhumane tactics to fight the other. Instituted discrimination is certainly as hateful as the video you posted, and definitely more damaging. That's Israel that's guilty of doing that. Of course you can ignore that all you want, but it doesn't change the facts on the ground.
Hate Legislation >>>> Hate Propaganda Dude…we understand you’re forefathers were Nazis and now you feel the need to overcompensate for their sins by blindly defending all of Israel’s wrong doings….But for real…please stop
I agree with the first part of your post completely. It's odd that ATW was more concerned with a video than with actual hate legislation that discriminates and is currently in practice. I don't think there's any need to bring Nazis into the discussion though, and that could likely detract from the subject. Because he's German doesn't mean Nazis have to be a part of the talk.
Hamas' tv is not the Palestinian state tv. First of all, Palestinians have no state and therefore no state tv. Second of all, Hamas only represents the Gaza Strip. The videos you are referring to are produced by various media, most of them Hamas and I'm not aware if any of them are by the PA. Are you asking for evidence that Israeli political parties or the Israeli state directly and intentionally teach Israeli children hatred? What about parents? What about what their religion teaches them? What about their schools? What about what the most extremist of them espouse? So since many of the videos you posted cite religious text, do you count it as hate speech when they teach their kids that Arabs are pigs, that non-Jews are lesser, etc just like the extremist Muslims do? Funny how you limit things to exactly what you have in hand. Here are some videos for you. Obviously, if I don't post the appropriate disclaimer then you'll whine about how this must mean I hate Israel. So just to get that out of the way: I don't believe these videos are representative of the Israeli public, or even all the political parties. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Qp67KehlVGU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/acnEIUKI7_Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YR0fuX8w4XY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4qVixbW_dTw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Don't forget that these types of kids are taught to hate Arabs - all hundreds of millions of Arabs. Shall we get into what the ultra orthodox teach their kids? Do you really think these selective samples are representative of their populations?
No doubt that both sides have done wrong in this conflict. And as I said repeatedly, I don't have much love for the ultra-orthodox settlers, they seem to be the same as their counterparts on the other side.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/gaza-militants-fire-mortar-shell-at-israel-despite-informal-truce-1.472181 This is the most recent firing of 'Rockets' into Israel. Excuse me for using a slightly wrong word, I am sorry. Both sides definitely have extreme issues. Basically the extremists on both sides rather it be the ultra-orthodox or the radical muslims need to not be quoted on these issues. They are both ideologues which preach the wrong thing. What I was saying is it is a hard place to be for every and anyone. But looking past that it is a beautiful place. I have been to a park in middle of Jerusalem, on a Friday night, which is the Jewish day of sabbath. On this night my buddy and I were the only people not of Arab descent. There was about 500 Arabs, surrounding us, so we did what anyone would do and starting up a game of good ole basketball. Through sport we were brought together. Now I know I am the minority but I believe Israel is a good place, and is definitely not an 'apartheid regime'. This a good video. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KvdQite8rww" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
