Palestinians accuse Israel of annexing the West Bank

Did the Israeli troops use...

 

No...they prefer CS gas.

True story: My business partner was late for a barbecue last night in Tel Aviv. He was an hour late, and when he got there, he ran into the bathroom and and doused his whole head in water.

When we asked him why, he said that as he was walking there, the police were beating up two drunk college-aged kids with a dog. They weren't resisting arrest -- one of them kept hugging his dog and begged the police not to take it to a shelter.

When my friend told them to take it easy one of them "accidentally" (as it was explained to me) sprayed him at point blank range with tear gas.

I asked him what happened in the end, but my friend just shook his head and said "This isn't the country I grew up in."

 

The images that the activists don't want you to see...

Introducing Gaza:















it is as if there is no siege at all...


So Hamas makes 25% off taxing illegal smuggling, what does Israel do?

 

You really are as naive as your posting shows Izaka ^

 

The articles posted quote where the millionaires got their millions. Maybe if they were more concerned with smuggling food and medical supplies instead of guns and contraband the people of Gaza would be better off.

There are rich and poor in every nation, are you going to blame their economic woes and instability of every country on Israel as well?

Is Israel responsible for the situation in Greece too? Is Israel responsible for the muslim on muslim massacre taking place in Syria?

Are you going to deny that Gaza was better off when it was under Israeli jurisdiction? or do you believe that the people of Gaza are better off under the control of Hamas and at the hand of smugglers?

From the articles I posted, because I know that you have selective reading skills...

Again from the article I posted above...

I also love this quote that you posted...

Are you going to blame that on Israel as well?

It seems that every time Gaza makes an effort to move forward and into the 21st century it is being held back by its own government and radical elements in its own umma, but you knew that...didn't you.

The people are being used as pawns in a propaganda chess game by their own people, and that is disgusting.

I didn't say anything disputing that there are humanitarian needs in Gaza, all my posts make mention of is that:
1. There are millionaires in Gaza.
2. How they received their millions.
3. That it is not entirely the fault of Israel.
4. That there are photos that activists do not want you to see. I then posted the photos.
All people are used to seeing when they think of Gaza is (from your link)





Notice it is always children in the picture...

From the same link you provided:




These are the pictures that activists don't want you to see.

Did I lie in my post?
NO.

Did I post any inflammatory pictures or statements?
NO.

Did I post the Truth?
Yes.

So tell me Mathloom, who is really being 'Intellectually Dishonest?'

It is all about perspective, I see the glass as half full, you see it as the glass is empty (...because of capitalism in imperialist America and Zionist Israeli policy).

The problems are many in Gaza, but to lay the blame at the hands of the Israelis for all of the problems is getting old. Even the people of Gaza are getting sick of it, and sick of the mafia style, black market driven Hamas government but just like you, my Persian Emirate friend, there are somethings that they cannot speak out about because of the threat of retribution and the safety of their families...is that also the fault of Israel?

Israel has a right to stop the terrorist organisation Hamas from importing weapons that will put her people at risk. All people have a right to exist, Hamas and its terrorist buddies do not want to extend that right to Israel. Israel must do what it must to survive and protect her borders.

If Hamas were to sit down and have peace talks with Israel, the blockade may be lifted, but that wont happen, because the corruption gravy train via the smugglers tunnels would stop...and everyone knows that it would be political suicide for an Arab nation to talk peace with Israel.

Now who's fault is that?

End of story.

 

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Was going to post this in a new thread but it can go here. This Egyptian President praying in a mosque, while the Imam prays for allah to defeat the infidels, and to destroy Jews and her supporters, this is another reason why Hamas won't talk peace with Israel, don't want to be seen as a supporter of the Jews.

Israel have nothing to worry about, do they Mathloom?.

 

Fanatical propagandist Mathloom owned once again.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you and your worshipper izakdavid...you guys used to be sad, but now you're just funny.

 

How is it the Middle Eastern model? I don't remember anyone like Atatürk in recent Middle Eastern history. I think the Muslim countries in the Middle East would need someone like Atatürk.

Of the three options you outlined, the 2 state solution seems to be the only one that makes sense to me.

Any chance of going back to what Rabin and Arafat had negotiated before Rabin got murdered?

 

Take a look at the settlement maps after the Oslo Accords and then look at the present day ones. You will see how and why Israel will not allow that to happen.

What's funny is that this thread is about Israel's illegal settlement activity in the West Bank and the only response IzakDavid had was to post about the Gaza Strip.

If you don't see what's intellectually dishonest about that, then you don't deserve to have any of your posts taken seriously.

 

What is your (serious) suggestion on what (1) should happen with Israel/Palestine and (2) will realistically happen?

 

Mathloom, have you been to Gaza? Or to Israel?

 

Israel should be making serious gestures to stop the settlement activity and start returning control of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority. Israel should be showing the Palestinians in the West Bank that it can be a partner to peace by strengthening economic relations with the PA. Israel should end the blockade of the Gaza Strip, something that was created because they did not like how the parliamentary elections turned out. They say there should be no preconditions to negotiations, yet the routinely create a situation where they include preconditions. It has went from recognizing Israel's sovereignty to recognizing Israel's right to exist to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. All of this is over the course of two to three decades and the former two were both accomplished, all while Israel was continuously annexing land in the West Bank (and Gaza at the time). You pretend to be a lawyer so you should know the illegality of annexing occupied territory. It wasn't tolerated when Nazi Germany did it (unless you count Chamberlain), so why should it be tolerated now? It wasn't tolerated when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and annexed it, so why should it be tolerated now?

There is no way to say what will realistically happen because neither Israel nor Hamas operate realistically. They both claim to value their constituency while routinely doing things that is criticized by their people. An example would be Israel supporting Hamas in the 80's and early 90's. They did this to counter support for the PLO. If you have to wonder why they would do something so timid and stupid, then you only have to look at its history of stalling negotiations. Stalling negotiations equals more time to annex Palestinian land and create settlements. Once there are a few large settlement outposts in a given area, the area would post as a 'significant security risk' if Israel were to withdraw. Israel will never withdraw from Zone C (which is over 50 percent of the entire West Bank). In the 70's there were only ~1,000 settlers there. Now there are well over 300,000 settlers there. Zone C also happens to be the most fertile land in all of Palestine.

This image speaks for itself:

 

Another meltdown. I asked because you are obviously extremely passionate about the Palestinian issue. It almost seems to be motivated by a personal connection, looking at the long rants, meltdowns and personal attacks. I guess the same religion is sufficient for that.

 

Thanks for the response. Do you think there is anything the Palestinians should do/concede, in order to come to a solution?

 

My response was directed at the post before it that specifically mentioned Gaza,
what's intellectually dishonest about that?