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Ethics vs Loyalty?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Nero, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    This sounds like you're choosing a stable and rewarding working relationship over how you believe your city/state/country should be run. Is it that you're choosing loyalty over ethics, or instead that you are choosing what works for you personally over the "collective good"?
     
  2. gifford1967

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    No I wouldn't.
     
  3. dachuda86

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    Loyalty ties into ethics... That's like saying Tacos V. Mexican Food.
     
  4. jank1434

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    Good for you. I imagine that there are not many people who would not. 100% serious (I'm not intending the post to come off sarcastic at all)
     
  5. DonkeyMagic

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    No, ethics would not dictate that at all. Maybe you are confused what ethics is
     
  6. da_juice

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    A pet is loyal. A human has ethics.

    Being loyal is good, but don't let it trump your own moral compass.
     
  7. bejezuz

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    Well, I guess it would depend on whether you have an ethical duty that requires you to act in a way that would be considered disloyal.

    Sometimes remaining loyal is what is ethically required, sometimes ethics require you to be disloyal, and sometimes loyalty requires nonaction when a desired action is not ethically required, even if doing nothing seems like a bad choice.
     
  8. Bleeding Red

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    Huh? That's opposite of being ethical. Ethic should dictate you to do the right thing by respecting his different philosophy and values instead of attacking him. What you're describing is no different than the Benghazi incident which is unethical and vulgar
     
  9. dmc89

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    No, you are simply afraid of speaking your mind because you believe you can't work with someone who thinks differently. Maybe your boss feels the same, so you keep your thoughts to yourself, and take the material and career benefits he provides.

    I think that's selling yourself short. I also used to work in government, and I eventually left for various reasons one of which was speaking my mind. I lost quite a few lucrative opportunities as a result. However, I worked my way back up again, and have far surpassed where I would have been had I stayed in that negative situation.

    I've encouraged many of my friends in similar places to 'do the right thing', but often times societal and family pressure hinder them leaving.
     
  10. david_rocket

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    Its not the same thing.

    one example: the New Orleans Saints scandal.

    If you are a player, and a coach tells you that if you hurt the best player on the other team you got money would you do it?

    you could say you are being loyal to your coach, but its not ethical to go and intentionally hurt someone.
     
  11. bullardfan

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    Those in power... I think most people can agree that the people in power are not trustworthy nor do they deserve any loyalty or respect.. like the TEPCO chairs who decided it was okay to destroy Japan in order to save money.
     
  12. Ender00

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    How is this scenario, your best friend is cheating on his wife. If you r royal friend you will keep quite but ethically you should tell his wife.
     
  13. bullardfan

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    Asian? j/k.
    would it be okay to sleep with his wife if she is throwing herself at you? i mean he's cheating on her anyway. ol lemain royar to said fliend?
     
  14. Ender00

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    Lol pretty good, I would never sleep with my best friend's girl. I don't care how hot she is, and I would never rat my good friend.
     
  15. Dei

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    Ethics, obviously. You don't follow your friend if he's doing the wrong thing. Simple as that.
     
  16. SwoLy-D

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    BEST example there. :eek:

    Also, SANDUSKY. Joe Paterno and the rest of the Penn State peeps should have done something about it...
     
  17. durvasa

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    Why?

    Suppose it was a stranger and not your best friend, and you found out he was cheating. Does ethics say you should go to this stranger's wife and tell her what he's doing? Or does ethics say you should mind your own business?

    However, if we flip it around: your best friend is one the getting cheated on and you find out about it. In that case, loyalty may come into play and you them what's happening behind their back. But there's competing issues here: on one hand you want to inform to someone they are being deceived, on the other its a personal issue between a couple that perhaps isn't your business to get involved in.
     
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  18. Dubious

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    Loyalty should be earned, by ethical behavior. Why would you be loyal to a person you thought was unethical?


    The only Hell we will ever know is living with a guilty conscience.
     
  19. SwoLy-D

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    IN ANY SITUATION, you should tell the person being cheated on that they are being cheated on. HAVE PROOF. :eek:

    This is the case with the show "WHAT WOULD YOU DO?"... even if it's a stranger, you tell them or you tell someone with proper authority.
    http://abcnews.go.com/WhatWouldYouDo/video/cheating-husband-11371589

    You would want someone to step in FOR YOU. Please tell me that's the case. Else, we're a selfish society.
     
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  20. rocketsjudoka

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    Interesting thread.
    That is not exactly the case in the US and many armies. As the Nuremberg Trials have shown that just following orders isn't always an excuse and as an officer you are not obligated to follow orders that are not lawful. That said there have been many cases of soldiers following orders that were not lawful or at the minimum highly ethically questionable because of personal loyalty to their comrades and superiors. Consider what happened in Abu Ghraib and the Haditha Massacre.
     

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