The issue of Abortion in accordance to Christian beliefs

My wife believes in a rape exception.

I do not. We know where each other stands.

I'm sorry you wish that I were raped. I wish rape on no one.

Can you justify murder of an innocent person? If you can, that is your problem. If you can't, you couldn't justify it as a pro-life person.

 

I have nothing to add to that, except that I very much hope that your wife is never raped, and never faces a situation that confronts far too many women. It is so ****ing easy to hold your position when you are a man. Too easy. Your comment says a lot about the two of you. Your wife sounds like someone I'd enjoy having a beer with. You? I doubt very much that I would enjoy the experience, unless politics were off the table.

 

Although I am quite pro-life, I agree totally Deckard. It's all about perspective.

 

My wife doesn't like beer. And discussing politics with her would be a waste of time. She doesn't know much about politics at all. She hasn't voted since I have known her. It is very sad to me that abortion is a political issue at all.

Never said it wasn't easier for me. I can't make myself a woman. I'm sympathetic, but that is all I can be. You act like I don't care, but I can't let my sympathy for one outweigh the death of another. I will never be put in a situation where I am the one making a decision. Hopefully I'll never be in a situation where someone extremely close to me feels the have to make a choice. My values are what they are, and yours are what yours are. Obviously they are different when it comes to abortion.

 

That's OK. I enjoy wine, Scotch, and other beverages. I'll add this... you say your wife "doesn't know much about politics at all," but she knows enough about this issue to disagree with you, and it is a political issue. I'll also add that if you think your position is "sympathetic" towards women, then you are simply deluding yourself, with all due respect.

I'd still enjoy a beer with your wife. She can drink whatever she likes. ;-)-

 

for real. Lots of armchair females here deciding what they think is right for womans body.

It's sad that in todays age (in many extremist countries) a woman doesnt have right to her own body.. looks like the church state fanatics around here are desperately trying to take that away and turn us extremist. good job fanatics. Awesome. church state sounds like a fun place to live in !

well there is always mexico or

 

Is my views sympathetic to the woman? No, it is sympathetic to the unborn child. That doesn't mean I don't feel sympathetic, there just isn't an in between option. Do victims deserve better? Yes. It is unfair in ways that go well beyond life being unfair. Short of embryo transplants, there is no way to protect the child and not make the mother go through pregnancy with an unwanted child (even that would certainly have a negative psychological effect on most women in that situation). It is a decision nobody wants to make.

If I were in Congress making abortion laws, I'd possibly be willing to accept non-surgical methods as a compromise.

She also supports gay marriage. So there are two things she has an opinion on. Probably the one thing she would actually get her to the polls.

 

wow, juicystream, you are a nut.

 

I'm not religious at all. Pro-life is about giving rights to the child. I realize without an exemption of rape, you are sacrificing a woman's right. I'd love to be able to rationalize it, but I can't.

 

No, I just see two humans.

You see woman and an embryo or a fetus.

 

You say that you "see," but in fact you are blind. With all due respect. If I held your views and expressed them to my significant other, it would be World War III here at home, no doubt about it. Obviously, "love conquers all." My S.O. wouldn't live with someone who held your opinion on abortion having no exception for rape. She would think that I'm an unfeeling monster, and she would be correct.

 

I'm not blind. I see it as killing an innocent child. If you see it that way, you'd be a monster if you were willing to kill the innocent child. You clearly don't see it that way, and most people do not. If you are pro-life, with a rape exception, you still see it as something less than human. The two lives are not equal to anyone who is accepts exceptions.

If you and your wife feel that way, that is fine. My wife could be pro-choice and that wouldn't be a problem for me, as long as she would not personally consider an abortion. Ever since I heard my son's heartbeat for the first time, I've never been able to think about it as anything else.

 

I find this post remarkable. So if your wife were raped, god forbid, and became pregnant as a result, and wanted an abortion, that would be a problem for you. You would attempt to talk her out of it. She wouldn't need your permission. What if she had an abortion after a rape regardless of your feelings on the subject? Would you divorce her? Would you love her less? Would you stay with her "just for the sake of the children?" What would you do?

Do you even think about such things? You know, my S.O. and I have two children of our own, one a junior in high school, and one about to graduate from college, and we listened to the heartbeats of both of them. We looked at the ultrasounds as well. I remember looking at my son's, the fellow about to get his computer engineering degree, and the doctor asked if we wanted to know the sex of what we were seeing. We looked at each other, shrugged, and said "Sure, why not!" He pointed at a tiny thing and said, "that shows it's a boy." I'm sure everyone can imagine how we both felt. It was marvelous. Neither one of us had a "revelation" that we simply had to oppose abortions for any and all reasons, including rape, because of that experience. Yet you somehow had that "epiphany." That we could have what I'm sure were similar reactions to the same experience, yet, in your case, come away with what the vast majority of Americans would describe as an extreme position, is a mystery to me.

People like you and giddy are extremists when it comes to this issue. When comparing you to a large majority of Americans, that's what you are. And tens and tens of millions of Americans have had the same experience as you and I have had in this instance, yet only a small minority somehow came out of it believing as you do. I think it might be useful for you to ponder that fact. I also think it would be wise to stop belittling your wife's interest in politics, which you are doing here, in my opinion, and have a serious discussion about this subject with her. Purely my opinion, of course, but I think it would be helpful for your relationship.

Women are human beings. They own their own bodies. You don't, I don't, and neither do any other men in our American society. If they are raped, they have the right to get rid of the result of that rape. How you can dismiss the emotional trauma a woman would go through if forced to carry a child produced by rape to term, and that's what you are doing, astonishes me. I think you are an intelligent guy, but on this subject, in my opinion, you are as extreme as any extremist on any subject anyone cares to bring up.

Now, you'll have to excuse me, but I need to go pick up my daughter.

 

Edit: Misread your post and didn't realize you were limiting the monster comment to rape exception.

Still think you are going way overboard with your rhetoric and are an example of someone who can't see actors on the other side of an issue as rational human beings.

 

It's a fetus, not a baby. If it were a baby, anyone could take care of it, but it is a fetus, so only the woman in whose uterus it is developing has a choice.

 

Just a "falling" abortion rate is no tribute to mankind. 34 Million dead instead of 40 Million dead is no great accomplishment.

I thought the purpose of living was to do things, build things, accomplish things that bring honor to our lives?

I didn't read any correlation to increased use of contraception as being allied with the reduction in abortions. The article just made it sound like "choice." I believe that you've inferred that one.

Everyone's rights end where someone else's begin.

 

The straw man here is the fairy tale that there is no other life involved save the mother...

 

I think everyone is agreed on that, but what when that fails? Death to the little girl in her mommy's womb?

 

fetus =/= "life"

 

When that fails, the pregnant woman (not you, not anyone but the woman, her doctor, and her God) has a choice to make. I trust the woman to make the right choice for her life. She deserves to make that choice for herself rather than having people like you force their morality on her.