Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

I wouldn't do it, and I don't think OKC would either. We'd be giving up to much for a rental, and OKC would be risking the same with Martin.

 

Harden will get the max, or something near that. Will OKC be willing to pay that? If not then they would do a trade for him.

I don't see how Harden would be a rental. He doesn't seem like a guy who has to play in Brooklyn or whatever and he's a young guy who likely would just enjoy the max.

With all of that said, Harden is not a UFA next year I believe so it won't matter.

 

Too much for Harden, West Brook on the other hand I'd do it heartbeat but doesn't make sense for OKC. Just a pipe dream

 

This is not a "Lin is our savior/suck balls" thread? Where are those at

 

We're bound to lose Martin anyway. Patrick Patterson? Meh. We have a few other options at the PF position and some better than him. It's basically Raptors pick for Harden.

If Harden can average those type of numbers playing alongside Durant and Westbrook, i wonder what he will be averaging being the main or secondary option on a team. He's definitely not the third fiddle type.

Would he settle for less money and continue being the 3rd option in OKC at this early stage of his career? Maybe but seriously doubt it.

Rockets and Morey on the other hand would love to get their hands on such a young and talented player with so much promise.

Lin
Harden
Parsons
Jones
Asik

 

Rental? Pretty sure Harden would sign back with us.

This would likely be a trade deadline move if something like this went down. It's possible if they just won't have enough money for Harden and they want something out of him. Martin would be a much cheap person to retain. Ppat would have to prove that he can at least be a solid 2-way role player for them.

I'd first try to offer them with Martin, Royce, Ppat, Dallas pick and Charlotte 2nd for Harden and filler contracts (Cook, Aldrich, Hayward, Jackson) before throwing in the raptor pick especially if the raptors suck badly.

Lin/Douglas
Lamb/Harden (if he wants to come off the bench still)
Parsons/Delfino
Jones/Dmo/Morris
Asik

 

Ive brought up this similar trade before, and you have several things to keep in mind.

The salaries do not match enough to just trade Martin, Patterson, picks for Harden alone.

You would need to include a major salary from OKC that they might look to move. So you would need to absorb the salary of Kendrick Perkins most likely, and assume that they feel confident enough in Serge Ibaka as their franchise center moving forward.

Thats alot of IF's there, or you might have to not involve Martin in the deal and substitute Lamb instead.

However, if OKC wasn't able to come to an agreement with Harden that fit under their salary cap comfort before October 31st, they would have 4 options-

-Trade Harden for a bounty of assets
-Amnesty Perkins
-Risk trying to trade Perkins before next July
-Risk losing Harden at the end of the season for nothing

The more I look at this, if Im Presti, I probably just go ahead and plan on using my amnesty on Perkins at the end of the season in all honesty. However a package including a solid couple pieces and Toronto pick would be super enticing.

 

OKC won't do it.

 

I like the Harden idea. Houston does well, OKC doesn't get ripped off either.

 

Match salaries? If this trade happens, it would most likely be a S&T. No need to match salaries if we are under the cap.

 

Seems that way now, but we just have to wait and see what happens Oct31st, and their teams performance the first half of the season.

If the team is still looking like the title contender it should be, taking a risk in the short term on trade for someone like Martin to replace what Harden does for them it could cost the at the very minimum a WCF birth if not another trip to the finals.

Salary cap aside, the most important thing to do as an NBA team is to win a championship here and now. If they trade Harden and for some reason it doesn't work out in the short term, that will forever be a knock on Presti's career, and it could seriously tamper with the chemistry of this young title contending team if they are winning and the trade alters the chemisty of the team going into the playoffs.

If Im Presti, Im going for the title this season, and at the end of the season, results aside, Im considering the fact that I will most likely have to amnesty Perkins and find a more affordable solution in the paint next season.

 

A rip off is when they let Harden become a free agent this off season and get hit with poison pills from teams with cap space. Heck they would just offer him max.

The question every okc fan wants to ask here is.. Would okc and it's team owner be willing to pay millions in luxury tax for the next several years in order to keep Harden? Remember, okc is a small market city and Harden isn't even their 2nd best player on the team.

Look what happened to the Knicks. Arguably the biggest market city and still passed up on their cash cow Jeremy Lin. Luxury tax penalties for overpaying teams would be ridiculously pricey from here on out.

 

No it would not. After February they cannot trade Harden since he would be a restricted free agent. They would have to renounce his rights making him an unrestricted free agent to be able to sign and trade him at the end of the season. In that case, Presti would be risking Harden's involvement to agree to a sign and trade. This will not happen.

Again, If Harden and OKC cannot come to an agreement on Oct 31st with an extension here are the options-

-Plan on matching Harden's offer up to the max next Summer, risk deep lux tax implications
-Trade Harden for a bounty of assets before February deadline, risk short term playoff success
-Amesty Perkins for salary cap space & match Harden next Summer
-Try to trade Perkins in the meantime, and deal with it in the Summer(not likely)


Based on what I just mentioned, I think either they come to an agreement in the next 2 weeks or they plan on parting with Perkins at the end of the season one way or another. Still if they cant come to an agreement before the end of this month, Morey should make an offer anyways and keep it on the table until the trade deadline just in case Presti decides to look at trades.

 

poison pills?

btw, OKC can just pay him max, as long as the owner finds cash to amnesty Perkins. It's much better than going into luxury tax or losing Harden.

 

Another thing to note from Presti's point of view when bringing in someone like Martin to "replace" Harden.

There still is a risk of Martin doing really well and Martin leaving at the end of the season for bigger dollars. Then Presti is really put in a bind losing the immediate impact of high quality wing scoring long term, or again going deep into lux tax to re-sign Kevin Martin(if he does well with them). Assuming Martin would take a pay cut after this Summer would be a mistake on Presti's part.

 

Good for us then. We just wait for Harden to become a free agent this off season.

Okc has 3 options:

1. Harden agrees to sign a lesser contract. Which i doubt since most players at this young stage of their career want to get paid and wouldn't settle for being the team's third option when he has the talent to become a star.

2. Okc owner decides to pay millions in luxury tax for te next several years. Again, highly unlikely with a small market team. This is still a business.

3. Trade Harden and still be one of the top contenders and avoid losing millions on luxury tax. Which is what a deal such as a Kevin Martin package would provide.

 

Houston sends K-Mart, Jones, Morris.
LA sends Dwight.

Why Lakers do it: Jones is a lesser Howard and K-Mart is one of the best 6th men in the NBA. Last night also showed Morris isn't a complete bust.
Jones for Dwight is a win for Lakers because coachbadlee rightfully analyzed that Jones has the potential to be a Dwight clone, but he has a BETTER jumpshot and is YOUNGER.

Also, Hollinger's formula projects more wins for the Lakers with this trade.

Why Hou does it: We get a superstar NOW and don't have to wait two years before Jones becomes as good as Dwight. I know you guys will jump on me because we lose three great guys and Hollinger projects we would lose 7 games more, but this city needs a superstar to pair with Lin.

 

If martin wants to remain on a winning, relevant team and finally get into the playoffs and have an actual shot in winning, I'm sure he'll take a pay cut. He wasn't going to get that much anyway. MLE or slightly above that is what he would get now in today's market.

 

Good luck having a thin frontcourt against a western conference rival that has Dwight and Gasol.

 

What you are basically saying here is that OKC should choose Perkins over Harden.