hotballa, this is what happens when fake fans join a site for real rockets fans, they put their idols ahead of the team and disrespect the city, the fans, the organization, and the history. especially the Rockets organization. News flash to LOFs, we had an asian guy before, his name was Yao. We don't care how much money Les makes off Lin, because we aren't Les. We are allowed to criticize our own players if they play bad, this doesn't mean we don't like them, it just means we believe they are better. Lin ain't the best player. It's not like we got LeBron or Dwight. It's not about popularity, it's about winning.
My major issue with Lin skeptics is that their arguments are rarely grounded in reality and reliable data. You cited Lin's injury as a possible factor in why he might not perform well, but studies have shown that most players fully recover from meniscal injuries and returned to their pre-injury playing form. You also cited that teams might adjust to him. Teams had close to two months to adjust, and even at his worst, ie the month of March, Lin was playing at a 17 pts, 7 ast per 36 minute level. Of course, no one can guarantee that Lin will be "near all-star level or more" in the future. Technically, no one can ever really guarantee anything. I can't guarantee that the sun won't explode tomorrow. But we have tons of data about the sun that we can say with near certainty that it won't explode tomorrow. Likewise, we have abundant evidence about Lin that says that there's a very good chance that he'll perform at a high level. If you don't trust my evidence, then realize that the Rockets front office, the dudes whose jobs it is to make these types of predictions about players and who happen to be very good at it, offered Lin 25 million dollars.
Your comment can be offensive in a way, but in the month of July posters all and around CF are all talking about the 25mil, fans do care even if it's not their money. And seriously, people gotta stop the LOF thing and it's not a news flash, and fans that came to follow the Rockets now are completely different from Yao days, and you know it. Poster that joined CF because of Lin are mostly fond to western culture, if you know what I mean. What I'm trying to say is: "If a rat is chewing up your home, don't blame the landlord, but kill the rat"
a. the dude calls himself "Strictly LOF". the statement below implies that the Rockets should be grateful to the fans of Lin. You know what Morey was really trying to get right? 1) Season ticket sales surged - 2) The Rockets will almost certainly get out of the bottom third on the list of NBA teams' fan attendance records - 3) Pre-orders of Dwight jerseys immediately guaranteed the Rockets will have a topseller in the NBA gear sales rankings for the next couple of seasons at least - 4) TC sponsors rushed to renew their deals - 5) ESPN finally remembered the Rockets are still around - All done without Lin Fans if we got Dwight Howard, which we tried to do. This be done by mainly HOUSTON ROCKETS fans. oh and this 6) Rockets will finally be a contender
I don't care if you are a fan of one player, as long as you support the ENTIRE team. As long as you are not a fan of teams like Dallas and Utah or the Tennessee Titans and not a fan of douchy teams like Lakers and Heat then you are ok. I don't want to see you defending Lin for everything and blaming anything negative on everyone not named Jeremy Lin. Remember, this is a HOUSTON ROCKETS site.
But they didn't get Howard and even without Howard, getting Lin was able to do some of those things. I think Strickly LOF is over the top, but you saying all Lin fans are not Rocket fans is also over the top.
Don't think I'm not rooting for Jeremy Lin. There's a difference . I'm rooting for Lin because he's on the Rockets and I'm a Rockets fan. I will praise him if he does well and criticize him when he doesn't play well. I'm realistic, he's not Kobe or Lebron. He is what he is. I don't care if other people are Lin only fans, I just ask them to respect the Houston Rockets and Rockets fans. Their concerns about him are legit, it's not like we got LeBron or Dwight or Chris Paul. Sure this is exciting having him on our team, but just like Tim Tebow getting dumped for Peyton Manning, if the Rockets got an offer for Kevin Durant, they would drop Lin in a heartbeat.
I didn't say all Lin fans are not Rockets fans. I said there are 2 type of fans. Real Rockets fans and Not real Rockets fans. When Yao left and Tracy left ,suddenly some people never posted here anymore. Pretty easy to figure it out. Strickly LOF is an example of what happens with player only fans join this site. We've seen it all before. They think their player has no faults and that the sole reason for the team is satisfy that player. I used Howard as an example to show you that Strictly LOF argument wasn't exclusive to Jeremy Lin. Say the Rockets got Kobe Bryant. It's going to be the same thing except we'd get a proven superstar. Oh when Lin starts playing for the Rockets. People better not post Knicks videos of him in the GARM as a thread. It's about Lin as a Rocket from now going forth.
Again. I understand the numbers and history are in his favor. I just want to wait and see, that's all. The numbers aren't 100%, so it's not completely crazy to think it may turn out differently for him. I'm sure all the numbers were against Grant Hill recovering, but it still happened, although mostly everyone wrote him off. There are always exceptions, since like you noted, nothing is guaranteed. And again, there's varying degrees of "high level" play. He can come down a notch and still play at a high level. Coming down from Linsanity doesn't automatically mean scrub-status. There's also the possibility of him coming down for a season and later returning to all-star level, given his inexperience in the league. As for his rehab, just because i mentioned his injury doesn't mean i don't think he'll recover. He may just not recover as quickly as planned. It happens. These guys play a lot, sometimes push too much too soon, and a routine rehab becomes a season long issue (just an example). Also, let's be honest, the Rockets gave him a lot of money, in part, because they knew he was a good business investment. It was a low risk-high reward move for them. Remember, the same GM who gave him the deal doesn't expect Lin to maintain the same production, so he didn't give him $25 million just for his expected production.
If we go on a 30 game winning streak, I don't want people to credit one player for a team effort with excellent coaching and when the player didn't play all 30 games.
And your point is? If we got Lebron or Dwight or CP or KD, they will bring their fans here the same way Lin, Yao, Tmac and others came. Why are you comparing Lin with other stars? So it is okay to be Kevin Durant only fan? I think you have to rethink that again.
I'm not defending this dude "Strickly LOF" , hell no. For what it's worth he's totaly a troll in my book. But how many poster that are like him? There are FANS like him for any player, we can't just put them all in one category. And a side note: "You need to spread rep around to get rep." And for respect? I respect you because your here 13 yrs before me, and I can understand why your pissed off on some of the LOF's, but I can bet my pathetic paycheck that 90% of the poster that came here to follow Lin are not LOF's. Not me atleast. (Once a proud Californian MJ Laker fan) And you like to win, it's good.... I like people that likes to win. (compliment)
Please do not start this Rockets turf war. If your point of "Strictly LOF" making any sense, you are stepping into the same thing he is doing. Whether you are a true Rockets fan or not, Lin fans, D-Mo fans and all new kids fans are here to stay till they leave Rockets. We are a part of Rockets fans now. Just make sure you do understand Lin fan base are totally different from your image of Rockets's previous Yao. Lin do have a wider appeal to a more global fan base than you realize on Yao alone. Go Rockets.
You mean why am I comparing Lin with other LEGIT SUPERSTARS? to show the Lin fans that their guy is really expendable. You have to read what others are posting and ask why are people getting riled up with legit concerns about Lin. Have you been or lurked on this board before? you realize player only fans don't ever criticize their favorite player, while team fans do if the player doesn't play well. they blame everybody except their favorite player. The other dude says that CF and the Rockets should be grateful for Lin fans. I'm grateful for potential Rockets fans, but if this guy left tomorrow, we'll be fine.
Why don't you actually read what he wrote and try to see why some people don't like it. Again, what does Jeremy Lin's appeal have to do with his basketball ability and people's right to criticize his abilities? Wrong. Who is we? are you and Strickly LOF in the same boat? do you have this same attitude?
He's not saying that. It's never a good thing to purely root for a player within a team's board. His point is, that at least durant would be a superstar, so technically it should be easier to deal with all the praise from his fans because it should be (more) warranted. And tinman is extremely proud of the rockets and their history, we all are, but he definitely takes it harder when it's belittled, so the new guys shouldn't take what he says so personally. This is another reason why i dont think new fans, of any player, should jump in so quickly into lengthy discussions with more established posters. Its not about being right, wrong, or having more rights here. It's just hard to know how to respond, and how much, when you're not familiar with posters. It's like attending a new school. You dont know who's who and assuming will either get you in some trouble or waste your time.
For your loyalty towards the Rockets, I respect that. But it's A New Age isn't it? You have to know that Linsanity happend in NY. Nobody rooted for him for sitting on the bench, this is not the same like the Yao days, where Yao fans blaming others for losing games. I for one didn't even look at Lin when he played for GSW. But I'm here now, so that's gotta mean something? I only follow players with winning mentality, so I do know for a fact that The Rockets are not gonna suck, not because of JLin, maybe a lil, but give the newcomers a lil more time to bond with the players, ok? Because when (X)sanity happens, you and me nor all of CF are enough to stop the power of the media.
