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Lin: Still trying to get back to 100%

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. johnstarks

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    This person doesn't understand that what would cost the Rockets 8M average for the Rox would cost over 30M for the Knicks. Knicks made the assessment that he wasn't worth 30M in year 3, which is probably true. Kobe is making around that much and he's not worth it either.
     
  2. Orange1

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    You are so misinformed. Where did you get that 30 mil. number from? Do you add all Knicks other players's lux. tax to JLin's contract alone? Please do give your reasoning. I am here to learn. :confused:
     
  3. AirSwish

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    Yes, he did add other players, but the other players got their contracts already signed. Lin did not at that time. So you might said that it was not fair to put all that lux taxes on him, but the truth is, when they signed Fat Felton for less, they did save some of those taxes. Do you agree?
     
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    i think he said somewhere he lost some weight to help alleviate stress on his knee, but his speed/strength was still there..
     
  5. Orange1

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    Agree. That is a fair assessment. However JLin already mentioned he would play for NY. He just wanted to play basketball and money was not the main concern. Knicks can give him 2 years 10 mil. mid level minimum contract without adding any more lux. tax to Knicks bottom line. He may have accepted the contract. Instead Knicks played games to have him out to find his market value while Knicks signed those "elderly" contracts first. Knicks management are/were the ones to be blamed.

    On the other hand, "JohnStarks" may have more inside to his 30 mil. number. I am here to learn. :rolleyes:
     
  6. mirus

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    starks is quite a nice poster actually,although i do thinkhe calculated the numbers wrongly.5m first two years,15m at 3rd year counted against knicks cap.

    back to topic ,not surprising.he's doing his first nba lvl scrimmages since injury so .hope he shake off any rust in preseason.
     
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  8. AirSwish

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    I think you misunderstood him and me. The 15mil in the 3rd year would have bumped up the knicks which already was over the lux tax ceiling which would have cost them 30 mil more in taxes. That's the reason they called it poison pill.
     
  9. King Boo

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    If they cared about tax, it was pretty dumb of them to give out long-term deals to the likes of Kidd, Camby, Novak and Felton then. JR Smith will want a new deal after this season as well.
     
  10. kastuul

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    LIN should keep it simple, not to make the 100% or 85 % statement anymore.
    It can be misleading.

    Haters can use this to doubt his honesty.

    Blake Griffin's knee injury is much more serious than LIN.
    I think Lin would be fine.
     
  11. Orange1

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    I assumed you replied to me. Now I understand you tried to explain that 30 mil number on behalf of JStarks to me.

    As I explained to you earlier, Knicks may want to sign and keep JLin before all other "elderly" contracts. They were not sure JLin's market value. They wanted to keep JLin. However giving him 2 years 10 mil contract will not keep him in NY as other teams definitely will out bid Knicks's contract. From JLin's side, he just needed a contract to sign. They just need to offer a contract for JLin to sign. I am sure JLin would accept it while keeping Knicks 3rd year lux tax to the minimum. Knicks did not even do it. They offered and signed Steve Novak 4 years 16 mil. contract without even thinking about lux tax. Why only mentioning JLin's contract will push Knicks lux tax + JLin's contract to 30 mil. Other "elderly" contracts help push lux tax higher without JLin's contract even.

    So Knicks either changed mind sometimes after Morey's first offer or did not want JLin from the get go. So offering JLin a reasonable contract from the beginning, JLin will not be in Houston now. So citing JLin 3rd year contract pushing the contract value to 30 mil was the reason Knicks could not accept was incorrect.
     
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    ESPN Insider had an interesting article on NBA's Most Overpaid/Underpaid Players. It used ESPN #NBARank scores as reference to determine who are the most overpaid players in the league.

    For a player whose salary is 8.3/year, as in Lin's cap, his score should be around 6.92, or rank around 42. But actually, Lin is earning 5/year, which is right where his #NBARank score should be.

    To earn his 15/year contract in his 3rd year, Lin will have to have #NBARank score of 8.26 or rank as 15th in the league, not taking salary increase in year 3 into consideration.

    According to ESPN Insider and use 8.3/year as reference, Lin is overpaid by about 3.3 mils this year.

    I won't copy and paste the article for its copyrighted material but for those who arent members and are interested, here is a link.
     
  13. kmav23

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    kuku what about royce white ? lol
     
  14. Bohdi

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    Oh lol yeah thats definetly NOT what my parents asked me
     
  15. kuku

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    All rookie contracts are under league rules. Individual rookie contract depends of where they are drafted.
    Any team who drafted players like Ibaka, Love, Faried, Parsons, they will become underpaid. But a lot more rookie will end up in D-League or deep bench and become overpaid.

    It's too early to say how Royce will do this year, but I am a Rocket fan and wish nothing but the best for anyone who wears a Rox jersey.
     
  16. King Boo

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    Meh, ESPN rank is bull****. How the heck do you rank the "general quality" of a player and reduce it to one number between 0-10? By pulling it out of your behind, that's how.
     
  17. Carl Herrera

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    Seems ESPN is trying to be all "advanced stats-y" without actually giving any useful analysis.
     
  18. roxxy

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    Can you copy and paste the article please I am interested in reading it.
     
  19. King Boo

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  20. Cadreaming

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    The premise of this is that ESPN Ranking is an accurate score of a player's worth. That's a big leap of faith for me, considering it's a composition of 104 ESPN "analysts'" (incl. someone like SAS?) subjective scores. You can't start an analysis with subjective scores and then turn it into an objective value.

    I know a thing or two about analytics from work. I know a thing or two about manipulating analytics to justify pre-set conclusions too. I'm calling this "analysis" BS.
     

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