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Maine mayor: 'Somalis should leave culture at door'

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by IzakDavid13, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. Northside Storm

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    Again---

    Please do not question other peoples' cultural assimilation into America when they have a demonstrated competency to observe, and respect the legal traditions in the country; one that you have not clearly demonstrated yet.
     
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  2. across110thstreet

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    so why present a hypothetical about a nude nagu sadhu at Disneyland named ashgar, in giant bold font?

    talk about bizarro world.

    have ANY of the Naga Sadhu you mentioned (you're so educated about other cultures!) even TRIED to emigrate to the US and been forced to assimilate?

    why don't you just say what you mean to say about Muslim culture and quit trying to frame a hypothetical discussion about other cultures in Australia, or the United States for that matter?
     
  3. IzakDavid13

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    Fair enough I agree. It is the law.

    But when a company bends over backwards to accommodate people's religious or cultural beliefs via compromises, and over and over again those compromises are either rejected because the compromise wasn't good enough to satisfy the complainant, or further demands are put to the employer to cater to the workers religious or cultural needs...you can understand why there is some animosity towards certain workers in the work place, especially those who aren't getting the benefit of the percieved special treatment under the law.

    Sorry if the above paragraph was a bit jumbled, I was typing in a rush...

    Texans game...
     
  4. IzakDavid13

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    The hypothetical question must be too hard to answer for you...

    I'll make this easier...if you were a Manager would you allow a naked Naga Sadhu to work at your place of work in the nude so as not to discriminate against his religious or cultural beliefs?
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    The difference is that there are health reasons not to allow a nude person to work in the workplace. In addition that nudity is an established possible offensive and inappropriate state. It would definitely affect children that would come into a place of work etc. But wearing a burqua is not offensive to children, there is nothing inappropriate about it.
     
  6. IzakDavid13

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    Thanks to NorthsideStorm

    I'm sure that his religious freedoms take precedence over some perceived offences that may arise.
     
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  7. IzakDavid13

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    TOUCHDOWN TEXANS!!!
     
  8. AMS

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    you are an idiot.
     
  9. IzakDavid13

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    Coming from you, that's a compliment.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    No, actually it doesn't when it's done in public. The health concerns alone would trump it.
     
  11. across110thstreet

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    it's not legitimate discussion , don't you see that? the number of hypotheticals one could ask is limitless.

    there's absolutely no logic in what you are saying. you started a thread about Somali immigrants, have shifted gears to Pasta Strainer helmet wearers, naked Indian gurus, and now have completely trolled your own thread with a Houston Texans Touchdown herp 'n derp
     
  12. IzakDavid13

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    Ok...

    If someone is employed at a company with a well known dress code and uniform, as well as set hours...should a private company have to change its uniform and set work hours to conform to someone's religious or cultural beliefs, or do you believe that someone who wants to work for a certain company should have to adhere to company dress regulations and work hours, or find work elsewhere?


    And...
    This tread was already being derailed by the 'you hate Muslims' brigade. I brought up 2 obscure religions to make a point, obviously lost on you.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    No, and in the United States they don't. Companies that market itself with a certain theme are allowed to hire employees that will fit with that theme. Japanese restaurants are allowed to hire only Japanese personnel to interact with the public. It isn't considered discrimination in that case. I believe the same would hold true for any other religious attire as well.
     
  14. IzakDavid13

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    Really....

    [​IMG]

    I will go through the other cultural and religious demands given to the different companies I listed after the Texans Game.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, really. Nothing in what you posted contradicts that. All Disney has to do is show that it would be burdensome for them and change their established theme.
     
  16. NMS is the Best

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    This entire subforum has been derailed by the 'Muslims are evil' brigade...
     
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    And I am telling you from personal experience living only a two blocks away from an apartment complex that is mostly Somali immigrants, having interacted with them on an almost daily basis and knowing fomr personal experience what work they have done to adapt that for the most part Somalis have done a lot to adapt and in some cases better than other immigrants. Compared to the other large refugee group in Minneapolis, the Hmong, Somalis have adapted more successfully than the Hmong. A big part of that is that most of the Somalis who have come come from an urbanized environment, which although very different than the urban environment here, has made them more entrepreneurial than the Hmong who were almost all rural farmers many of whom had never even seen indoor plumbing when they arrived.

    Honestly you and Izak David seem to be taking a handful of incidents, some poorly stated at best comments from two small town politicians to look into the worst of this particular community. It is the equivalent of someone saying, "I heard someone say that the Irish were all drunk and violent and here are some stories about IRA activity and some stories about Irish getting into fights." When called on it then saying "hey I'm just asking questions here what is wrong with asking questions?"
     
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    They're not getting special treatment under the law. They are getting equal treatment. The law applies equally to all religions, as long as it doesn't create an unreasonable burden, so while an observant Muslim might be able to take time off to pray, a Jew could take time off to commemorate Yom Kippur, and if the company is open 365 days a year a Christian could take time off for Easter.
     
  19. geeimsobored

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    As someone who lives in a city with a large Somali refugee population, this thread is utter garbage.

    The Somali community hasn't been associated with any crime here and by and large has integrated as well as any other refugee community.
     
  20. Classic

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    I'm sure this is more an overreaction of paranoia from an otherwise homogeneous population dealing with an influx of folks they don't relate to. Quick fact check of Maine shows a caucasian population of 95.4%*. Anyone non-white out of line from the 'norm' would probably make for good headlines in local papers.

    *http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/23000.html
     

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