Ask basso, trader jorge, bigtexx, gwayneco and all the other wignuts of the far right on this board. They have years of experience.
sadly, people need drama to make them sweat and get out to the polls. This might be a good thing (for all the wrong reasons..)
The comment I was waiting on. I saw it that way, too. I have to admit it led me to overeat and over drink. Now waiting for Deckard. If Deckard said Obama lost, you can bank it.
I actually thought he lost because he was all over the place and not concise. His long wonded answers didnt make a point. The only time the line on cnn went up was among women voters when he mentions anything about health care. Other then that he basically flat lined.
I haven't seen the whole debate so I won't say personally who I thought won that said I am not surprised that most people are giving it to Romney. Romney isn't an idiot and he did what any challenger did when he is down needed to do. It sounds like he came out focused and aggressive and most importantly made the most out of sharing the stage with the incumbent. Seeing the coverage and reading the commentary I am getting a feeling of Deja Vu from the first 2004 debates when by most accounts Kerry won that and revitalized his campaign after having almost as disastrous a preceding month as Romney is having. Obviously Kerry didn't win the election but he did make it much closer than it looked like it was in Sept. 2004. I am going to watch the whole debate when I get the chance and will be interested in the other debates. I suspect though unless the polls shift enough to put Obama behind I doubt he comes out swinging hard. While I can understand why many posters here and pundits wanted Obama to really stick it to Romney I am guessing that the Obama strategy wasn't really to appear angry by attacking Romney or appear condescending or dismissive. I am guessing that Obama saw the tapes of Gore sighing and rolling his eyes at the mishmash that GW Bush was spouting and 2000 and decided he wanted to avoid that. I am also guessing that the Obama team was hoping that Romney might attack so hard that he would end up hanging himself by making a major gaffe or appear as an angry Tea Partier.
Havent watched many of these but I assume the incumbent president would be less prepared than the opposition.
Obama's at a disadvantage because he won't lie. This has never been an obstacle for Republicans, of course, as Romney proves every time he opens his mouth.
I'd go ahead and watch the whole thing before offering up a thesis on what happened. Obama was on barbiturates tonight. And Romney, a well-documented robot, seemed like a real human person with a great command of facts and figures. I'm not going to speak to the character of any of those facts or figures, because I'm giving these long-suffering bums their night. But when you watch the debate you will probably disagree with your own post.
I wouldn't assume that, but he was, or at least appeared to be. Romney clearly won the debate. You would have to spin your brain like a top to think otherwise. How this affects the outcome of the election remains to be seen. I was surprised at Obama's performance; he really didn't have many good moments. Romney is obviously not the mindless buffoon character created by Obama's campaign. Obama is obviously not as quick, slick, or cool as he has been portrayed. Big dose of reality tonight; we'll see how it all plays out.
I thought Romney was handling everything very well, minus my distaste for his smirk and my perception of his ability to tell the truth or at least stick to things he's said in the past, and after 0bama finished positive but soft, I thought he'd won it. Then Romney goes negative and slams into the fear rhetoric. Before that, I'd have given it to him... and in a way since that seems to work better than I would hope, I guess I can't let that take away from the fact he probably did well with his base and then some... ... but the way he finished made me sick to my stomach. I thought it was arrogant, misleading, negative and laced with blatant manipulation through fear. Maybe that sells, but it made me sick.
I caught the tail end of it. I also thought it as weird how Obama didn't do anything while Romney went on full offense. He could have at least taken a charge.
coming from a liberal- romney won, but WHY did he win is the big question. 1st. FLIP FLOPPING. romney making very broad statements about policies which do not reflect what he has been endorsing during his campaign. its hard to defend against someone who is lying/contradicting themselves and their platforms. in essence, romney was firmly standing with main street, when we all know this guy is a pure bread capitalist who is pro big business/wall street. this is where obama should have hit him hard. 2. romney was using very centrist rhetoric and hitting all the lines that american's want to hear. i mean the guy is talking about bipartisanship etc. but the past four years republicans have taken some of the most hard lined stances against democratic legislation. so its going to be easy to say "im going to work with both sides, and i would never pass legislation without input from the opposing party" (romney insinuating that obamacare was passed without bipartisanship efforts) the fact is republicans in the house have not been willing to work with obama since day one. i mean we are talking about the party that didnt even want the president to make his annual address to congress. the guy is talking from two sides of his mouth. even though he denied it to the end, we know romney is for trickle down economics and puts the middle class second and the upper class first. this, is something that he was trying to stay away form during the debate and denied right off the bat. obama should have pressed him from the beginning on this, and not let him slip out of. 3. its much easier to CRITICIZE than to reason and EXPLAIN why things are the way they are. what makes this time period particularly difficult for obama is that our economy is still doing bad. IMO i think obama is partially at fault, but lets be real- the economy is big and it will take a long time for the economy to recover since 08'. again, it doesnt help much when the republicans have been doing everything in their power the past 4 years to not let obama succeed in fixing economy- which they KNOW will be the biggest issue during the election season. in the debate you have romney who is both taking a seemingly centrist view, while making scathing criticisms towards obama's economic recovery efforts. this automatically put obama on the defensive, and made him have to explain in very specific details, and give random examples of why the economy is still unsatisfactory- which quite frankly seem irrelevant to your avg. joe the plumber who doesnt know wtf your talking about ( lincoln & transcontinental rail road?). romney caught a rythym and obama didnt. or at least by the time obama caught one, it was too late. 4. the moderator. seems to me at the beginning romney was getting more time to talk and set the tone for the debate while obama was sitting back and respecting the clock. now im NOT positive on the distribution of time, but it seemed like romney was talking a lot more during the beginning of the debate than at any other time. later obama said F the clock, but by that time it was too late and romney had already established his dominance. These guys need to make their response time's longer, and cut the mic whenever the time has expired. all in all romney kicked ass and i was surprised he did that well, but obama was definitely sizing him up and trying to figure out wtf this guy is going to spew out his ass. expect obama to be much sharper and be on the offensive the next couple of debates. but obama failed miserably in this debate and should have been more prepared.
I don't think jorge, bigtex and gwayneco support Romney and the issues as much as they just like to bash "libtards"/Obama to feel superior. Basso doesn't belong in that group.
Obama never parried. He was on the defense all night and his attacks fell flat for the most part. Romney came across as pragmatic, compassionate, and powerful. Honestly, Obama got hosed and looked really unprepared for the assualt Romney came with him at. Romney clearly put a ton of time in prep and it really showed. Sad thing is that Obama had plenty of counter attack lines. For example, On bipartisanship...all Obama had to do is ask - "Yes, why is it that not a single Republican voted for a Republican health care plan, after I abandoned my party's desire for a single payer system and embraced the plan Newt Gringich proposed in the 90's? Was it because Senator Mitch McConnell had it right in saying he make sure every Republican opposed everything I did just to make me a one term President? Is that what you had to deal with in Mass?" I mean, what on earth was Obama doing out there? Romney didn't win this debate, he crushed Obama badly.
