Shane Battier says refs tell him to flop, sell contact

oh shiet, battier gon get fine!

 

He's right though. Foul should be called when the principle of verticality is violated. Remember Shaq guys? Dude would flat out hammer his defenders with the elbow hook to the kidneys...and the refs would call the defender for the foul.

Shaq rules.

Defensive flopping is a wave reaction to the Shaq rules. Guys got to the point where they were desparate to get a call, so they dropped and flopped like a fish on a dry dock. And the refs bought it because they weren't correctly calling the principle of verticality.

Now this nonsense and it's going to get crazy this year.

And Shane is dead on. If you're gonna fine defensive flopping, you'd better fine offensive flopping as well. That's only fair.


But the real right thing to do is for the officials to call the principle of verticality. That will take care of a lot of this bologna. Just applying the simple, archaic rule of verticality.

 

Wait is the rule only going to be implemented for defensive flopping??

That's not where the problem is! Defensive flops are essentially charges, you get taught from a young age to stand and fall under an attackers momentum.

Offensive flops are the problem, they look stupid on tv as the entire fiasco is orchestrated by the offensive player yet refs reward it.. That is the key behaviour to remove i would think

 

Misleading title. Battier didn't say that the refs told him to flop. But I've been saying that for a long time. The defensive player has to fall to get the charging call. That's how they call it. That's how the players will do to get the call. I don't call it flopping.

Same thing with low post defense. Bigger players (yes Shaq, I'm looking at you) just push their way to the basket with their bulk. That should be a charge. But if the defender doesn't fall, they don't call it.

I also agree that they should crack down on offensive flopping at least as much as defensive flopping. But well, most offensive floppers are superstars. So yeah...

 

Any Rox fan who had to watch Yao get bloodied arms but no call is silently nodding their head right now while they read Battier's comments.

 

true... he's gonna get hit in his first charge attempt.

 

I agree with Battier.

But all his comments are doing (and the media asking these questions) is feeding the bogus campaign by the league to make us believe something new is happening.

Hot subject now, but let's see if the media starts asking the tough Will McAvoy questions later in the season, "So, Mr Commissioner, it is mid-season now, why aren't we seeing less flopping."

 

Very clever by the refs because they are instructed or it's more or less a given that certain players get calls and others don't. They want to keep this system in tact so the only way they are forced to call a foul on a player they don't want to give a foul (mainly star players), is if he falls down. That way everybody in the arena but mainly on TV can see it and there's no way around it. Of course they still do not call them at times since Stern will stand by them at all times.

Even with the new rule, which is not exactly new, it won't change a thing. Other rules on the court would have to be addressed like the sliding under a offensive player a split second before he's in the air. Battier does this a lot and though I loved it when he did it as a Rocket, since Yao didn't get any calls, it should always be a blocking foul. Battier is right in a way but he's also a big flopper on both offense and defense.

 

Now let me get this straight.
1. According to Battier, the refs say you have to fall to get a charge called.
2. The Commish & his court instruct the refs on what to call.
3. The Commish & his court has a new policy to stop flopping.

I wonder what music this merry-go-round will play?

I would get so mad watching Shak bump a defender 2 or 3 feet back without a charge being call! Without that, the last LA dynesty wouldn't have been.

 

dude might as well retire right now!! his career is ova with this new rule!!

 

Right, this has been pretty obvious for a long time and it's my one caveat with the new flopping rules. Players don't flop because it's fun, and the majority of flops are not to invent contact where it wasn't, but to highlight it where it was. If you strictly enforce no-flopping without also getting the refs to call things properly without flopping, then instead of a flopping problem we have an uncalled-fouls problem.