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Univision: Rápido y Furioso

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 30, 2012.

  1. bigtexxx

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    I love watching SamFisher try to go into "shifty lawyer mode" when he can't challenge the actual facts of the topic.

    It's obvious bro -- you're not fooling anyone.
     
  2. basso

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  3. thadeus

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    This is pretty ****ty.

    ...but there's still no way I'm voting for Romney. That would wreck this country.
     
  4. CrazyDave

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    Wrong. Dude is looking tan.
     
  5. basso

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    what would it take to disqualify Obama, in your mind?
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    A better alternative than Romney
     
  7. bucket

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    Bingo.
     
  8. RocketRaccoon

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    Oh dear thadeus. While it may be very true that most republicans want this POS prezzie out of office, it's not very sharp of you to suggest we don't care about people dying. You're the creep, bud.
     
  9. basso

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    so the fact that obama has been an abject failure by every conceivable measure, including his own from 2008, means nothing?
     
  10. mc mark

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    Only in the land of Wingnuttia would anyone consider Mr Obama an "abject failure".
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    He hasn't been abject failure, but I won't be voting for him. If I was limited to only two choices Obama or Romney, I would definitely prefer Obama. The fact that Romney is a bigger liar and advocating more disastrous economic policies seal his fate. He's also advocating a budget that taxes the middle class, and cutting services from those in poverty to give the rich a tax break which I think is immoral. Romney's foreign policy is horrid, too hawkish, and Obama has done well hurting Al Qaeda, and getting the guy who was in charge of the 9/11 attacks.

    Obama has plenty of faults, but in all of the areas where Obama's faults are, Romney is at least as bad if not worse. In none of the areas is he an improvement.
     
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  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    There was a GOP president who sold guns to Iran (which was prohibited by law at the time) in order to use the profits to help arm the Nicaraguan Contras (which was also prohibited by law at the time) and the only consequences that actually stuck (i.e., not pardoned by Bush the elder) were some sentences of probation.
     
  13. pgabriel

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    its irony at its finest mr fisher
     
  14. mc mark

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    When you say nervous what you really mean is calm and relaxed!

    Poll: Obama Tops 70 Percent Support Among Latinos

    President Barack Obama's already-lofty level of support among Latino voters has reached a new high, according to the latest weekly tracking poll from Latino Decisions released Monday.

    The poll shows Obama earning the support of 73 percent of Latino voters, while Romney trails with the support of only 21 percent. It's the first time Obama has exceeded 70 percent in the six weeks that Latino Decisions has conducted its tracking surveys. This week's installment also shows that more than 70 percent of Latino voters trust Obama over Romney on issues related to the economy, women, the Middle East and Latin America.
     
  15. basso

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    FTFY.
     
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    it sucks vin diesel and paul walker didn't sign up for this remake of the rapido y furioso series!

    I miss when univision did actual reporting like republican politicians funding arms and training death squads throughout latin america. now it's all about calle 13 and shakira want to perform in cuba, let's send out jorge ramos to investigate this tragedy!
     
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  18. basso

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    "****ty" doesn't begin to describe it.

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  19. basso

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    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/here-are-5-things-you-didnt-know-about-operation-fast-and-furious/

    On Sunday night, the Spanish-language Univision News aired a “bombshell” hour-long report on their investigation into Operation Fast and Furious, revealing brand new evidence of international weapons smuggling by the U.S. government.

    In other words, Univision News took on the job that the mainstream media in the U.S. has failed to do thus far. They also displayed extremely disturbing images of the bloody carnage that occurred as a result of the misguided program.

    Here are some things you didn’t know about Operation Fast and Furious and other gun-walking operations.



    1. 57 Previously Unreported Guns From Fast and Furious Discovered

    One of the most explosive revelations made in the Univision News special involves 57 previously unreported firearms from Fast and Furious that were reportedly used in a number of murders and kidnappings.

    After cross-referencing the serial numbers of guns used in Fast and Furious against guns confiscated in Mexico, Univision found that about 100 guns were used in crimes and 57 of the guns were not included in an official congressional investigation.



    2. Fast and Furious Guns Used in Two Grisly Massacres

    ABC News reports, citing Mexican Army documents obtained exclusively by Univision News:

    On January 30, 2010, a commando of at least 20 hit men parked themselves outside a birthday party of high school and college students in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez. Near midnight, the assassins, later identified as hired guns for the Mexican cartel La Linea, broke into a one-story house and opened fire on a gathering of nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who had managed to escape. Fourteen young men and women were killed, and 12 more were wounded before the hit men finally fled.

    Indirectly, the United States government played a role in the massacre by supplying some of the firearms used by the cartel murderers. Three of the high caliber weapons fired that night in Villas de Salvarcar were linked to a gun tracing operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), according to a Mexican army document obtained exclusively by Univision News.

    Pools Of Blood On The Streets Of Villas De Salvarcar After A Massacre In Which Operation Fast And Furious Guns Were Allegedly Used (Credit: Univision)
    The other bloody attack linked to Fast and Furious guns occurred in September 2009 when members of a Mexican drug cartel murdered 18 young men at Salvarcar and El Aliviane, a rehab center in Ciudad Juarez, according to the report.



    3. U.S. Gun-Walking Operations Conducted in Additional States, Expanded to Other Countries

    The Univision News report also revealed that other ATF offices outside of Arizona initiated similar gunrunning programs.

    An ATF field division in Florida reportedly launched “Operation Castaway,” which put weapons in the hands of criminals in Colombia, Honduras and Venezuela, according to Hugh Crumpler, the lead informant in the case, who talked to Univision News from a prison cell.

    From ABC News:

    “When the ATF stopped me, they told me the guns were going to cartels,” Hugh Crumpler, a Vietnam veteran turned arms trafficker, told Univision News. “The ATF knew before I knew and had been following me for a considerable length of time. They could not have followed me for two months like they said they did, and not know the guns were going somewhere, and not want for that to be happening.”


    4. ‘Confirmed’: Jaime Zapata Was Killed With Weapons From U.S. Gun-Walking Operation


    Slain ICE Special Agent Jaime Zapata. (AP Photo/ICE)
    In Texas, even more weapons were allowed to cross into Mexico under ATF supervision, according to court documents and testimony of Magdalena Avila Villalobos, the sister of an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent who exchanged gunfire with cartel hit men alongside Jaime Zapata on a rural highway in Mexico in February 2011. Zapata was killed during the confrontation.

    Villalobos told Univision News the guns that killed Zapata, and almost killed her brother, were “not from Arizona and Fast and Furious” but from a “very similar operation.”

    “Those weapons that have been recovered, it’s been confirmed that they were weapons used in the shootout that killed Jaime Zapata and wounded Victor Avila,” she said.

    Sens. John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) along with Issa have been pressing the DOJ to conduct a formal investigation into Avila‘s and Zapata’s case. However, just as with Fast and Furious, they haven’t gotten far.



    5. Mexico’s Cartel Violence Spiked in 2009 During Fast and Furious

    Operation Fast and Furious was supposedly a program run solely by ATF that allowed nearly 2,000 guns to “walk” out of the United States and into the hands of high-ranking cartel members so they could be tracked and federal agencies could dismantle the drug trafficking organizations. But that’s not how it worked out. The agency ultimately lost track of the firearms, leaving Mexico’s powerful drug cartels even better equipped to kill.

    Mexico experienced a spike in cartel violence in 2009 while Fast and Furious was in full swing, as the gangs fought for control of various territories, Univision News reports.


    Border Patrol agent Brian Terry (AP)
    Fast and Furious became public after U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was killed in a gunfight with Mexican thugs in December of 2010. Congressional investigators, with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) leading the way, pushed for investigations and hearings, only to be stonewalled by Attorney General Eric Holder, the Justice Department and the White House, who claim Republicans’ interest in Fast and Furious is only political theater.

    President Barack Obama moved to shield Holder and the Justice Department by invoking executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents that the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has been after for years.

    Meanwhile, officials in Mexico are looking for answers because for them, Fast and Furious isn’t some metaphorical chess piece that they are manipulating for political gain. The fact of the matter is, they have lost hundreds of Mexican citizens as a result of the U.S.-run Fast and Furious — and they want the truth.

    “Americans are not often moved by the pain of those outside [their country]…But they are moved by the pain of their own. Well, turn around and watch the massacres,” Javier Sicilia, a Mexican poet who lost his son due to cartel violence, told Univision News.

    So far, it appears that the Mexican television station Univision can get more answers about Fast and Furious than our own government can.

    The majority of conservatives applauded Univision’s Fast and Furious report, but as Twitchy points out, others accused the channel of doing “Barack’s bidding” by putting all the blame on ATF and the Second Amendment. To see how people reacted to the report on Twitter, click here.
     
  20. mc mark

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    basso está enojado
     

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