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Astros set to Name Bo Porter Manager

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. The Cat

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    Understood, but that 4-to-5 year time period is true no matter what league or division they're in. This is a franchise that needed to be completely ripped apart, and it only truly started in the second half of 2011 (Pence trade, new owner/GM). It takes time.

    The other thing I'd point out to you, since you look at things from a historical standpoint, is that the Astros actually do have a positive rebuilding track record. The last time they committed to a true rebuild was the late 80s and early 90s, and it set the stage for an incredible 12 years. Honestly, from 1994 through 2005, there Astros were one of the three or four consistently-best organizations in all of MLB. The problem has been getting them to tear it down. Now that it's happening and a good GM is in place, I think there's more reason for optimism than there has been in a long time.

    Right now, they're the Pirates (Pittsburgh's success this year notwithstanding) of the NL Central. Is being Seattle or Kansas City that much worse? No matter what division or league the Astros are in, they're not going to be good right now. The key is 2015 and later. And honestly, it's tough to make too many proclamations right now on what the AL West will look like then. These things are cyclical, and things like the massive contract LA gave to Pujols may end up hurting them a few years down the line.

    The reason Mills was fired had little to do with people "calling for his head". You're right, if the team doesn't win (no matter the circumstance), there will always be a few casual fan idiots calling for the leader to be axed. But that has 0% to do with why the decision was made. Look across the organization - it's a bloodbath in essentially every department. Brad Mills was Ed Wade and Drayton McLane's guy. That's why he's gone.

    Honestly, even if the Astros had overachieved all expectations this year and won 70+ games... I still don't think Mills stays, because the decision had little to do with temporary on-field success (or failure). Big picture, Jeff Luhnow wants his own staff that share his views and can be molded. With his guys now in place, there will be a much longer leash and a more patient evaluation process.


    The problem I have with your logic is that you always try and turn things into extremely broad patterns, instead of evaluating the specifics of a given situation. For example, with Wade defenses, all the "coaching" in the world can't do a lot if the talent isn't there to back it up. In several of his past situations, including Dallas, there was a decided shift in organizational philosophy to using high draft picks on offensive players, as well as age-related attrition on his defenses. Look at what happened in his later years in Dallas. 2008? Felix Jones. 2009? First rounder traded for Roy Williams. 2010? Dez Bryant.

    That's not happening with the Texans. The defensive core is young and extremely talented, and they're still using high draft picks (Mercilus) to bolster depth. The "Mr. Fix It" tag does speak to his coaching, because he's consistently been able to do better things with similar personnel to his predecessors. But the idea that he's good at first, then magically gets "figured out", is both too simplistic and illogical. There are a lot of unrelated factors involved, but you miss them trying to tie everything together under one pessimistic umbrella.
     
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  2. No Worries

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    From the press conference clips, I also got the feeling that Jim Crane was looking for a particular type of manager.
     
  3. edwardc

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    Not about now its about the long haul.
     
  4. HoustonJames

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    http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2012/10/17/bo-porter-ready-to-go-as-manager/

     
  5. J.R.

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    2 coaches brought back, 2 new added to Bo Porter's staff. 2 more to be added within the next week to ten days.

    John Mallee - hitting coach
    Doug Brocail - pitching coach
    Dave Trembley - Coach(role TBD)
    Dave Clark - Coach(role TBD)

    Bench Coach Joe Pettini will not return.
    Senior Adviser to Baseball Ops Matt Galante will not return.
    Strength & Conditioning coach Gene Coleman will not return.

    Former MLB player Quinton McCracken named Director of Player Development, formerly held by Fred Nelson. Nelson offered to stay in a different capacity.

    Allen Rowin promoted to Assistant Director of Player Development.
     
  6. juicystream

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    Dave Clark is bulletproof.
     
  7. tellitlikeitis

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    Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth.
     
  8. J.R.

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    Tim Bogar turned down offer to be Astros bench coach

     
  9. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Will we even make it to third base?
     

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