http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#2006_Excess_Mortality_Study 650,000 and growing The Lancet is the source. I don't believe it counts the first Gulf War and the sanctions. Hundreds of thousands are still offensive is it not? BTW allegedly you studies law. How about proximate cause? When you deliberately and unnecessarily bomb/destroy public water and sewerage systems and then boycott replacement parts and then lots of children start dying of diarrhea aren't their deaths caused by the bombing? Regardless of your excuses or rationalization of this the Muslims in the area know this and they find it offensive.
I've been to an example of a country you're referring to (Pakistan), and although I can't speak to the any changes in mood of the people before and after prayers at the mosque, I can tell you that the general population there is not very happy. It's actually pretty sad, no pun intended. Increasing electricity cuts, extreme temperatures, failing economy, and corrupt government will all naturally lead to an unhappy/lower quality of life.
I am curious what do people in your country believe is the solution? Or do most people believe there is no hope?
Your entire post was well put, and I think this part really needs to be driven home. Everyone seems to forget people act the way they do because they are HUMAN before they are religious. This perception that they are in some way more violent than Western culture is absurd. These are mobs of unhappy, emotional people who feel like they have been attacked. This video that is being used as a rallying cry is only 1 of many reasons they are pissed. They are also pissed because of the fact that Muslims are regularly abducted by our own government, detained with little more than suspicion as evidence, tortured, and often times killed. They are pissed because they were promised, just like we were, that these atrocities would end. They are pissed because a war was brought to their homes for reasons we find justifiable, but the average citizen in these countries can only see as an attack on their lives. They are pissed because pred drones have struck single points successfully, which can only be seen as a means to raise collateral deaths. They are pissed because Europe is rife with far-right anti-Muslim racism. Be it riots in London in which they are targeted, or psychopaths like Breivik massacring people he felt were Muslim sympathizers. I look at all of this, and I shudder at the thought of these things happening on American soil. It scares me, because what is happening in the Middle-East would be nothing compared to the widespread destruction that would ensue. All due to the same over emotional reactions of the ignorant man. Westerner or Muslim is irrelevant. People just keep acting like animals.
I've seen similar signs from (Insert Organized Religion). Nearly all of the largest teach people to believe that their assumptions are truths. They also prefer to do so from a very early age. Once someone is indoctrinated into thinking that the leaps in logic they have chosen to accept are fact, they will naturally feel conflicted when others express a similar certainty in opposing "truths." I'll continue to hope that the younger generations can make progress in inhibiting this cycle that has been continuing throughout recorded history.
They may or may not be terrorists, but in any case they are evidently militant and likely not of the "moderate" type. I stand corrected. Irony must be lost on them.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...g-of-maker-of-anti-prophet-muhammad-film?lite Pakistan official offers $100,000 reward for killing of maker of anti-Prophet Muhammad film A Pakistani government minister on Saturday announced a $100,000 bounty for the killing of the person who produced an online film that denigrates the Prophet Muhammad. Federal Minister for Railways Ghulam Ahmed Bilour also asked the Taliban and al-Qaida to extend support to the would-be killer. Speaking at a press conference at the Peshawar Press Club, the federal minister said whoever is responsible for blasphemy deserves death. "The American who produced the sacrilegious film in the U.S. is also liable to death and we will shower dollars on the one who killed the blasphemer. If members of the banned militant organizations kill the maker of the blasphemous movie, they will also be rewarded," Bilour announced. Advertise | AdChoices He called for legislation to have the anti-blasphemy law at the global level so that no one could hurt the religious emotions of the Muslims in the name of the freedom of expression. He said the situation would remain tense until anti-blasphemy law was enacted at the world level. Bilour condemned the work of the filmmaker, saying it distressed the Muslims across the world. However, he also condemned the violence during the protests on Friday, which was declared a national holiday in honor of Muhammad, saying it could defame Muslims and their religion. Bilour said the government had already announced that the police and other law-enforcers would give protesters the opportunity to peacefully condemn the filmmaker and would not crack down on them with batons. Many Muslims denouncing anti-Islam film decry violent protests, too At least 15 people were killed and shops and businesses were damaged on Friday during Muslim protests in Pakistan. The film in question, produced in the U.S. and posted on the Internet under several titles including "Innocence of Muslims," portrays the prophet as a fraud, womanizer and child molester. The U.S. Embassy in Pakistan has run television spots, one featuring Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, saying the government had nothing to do with the film. Pakistan had declared Friday a "Day of Love" for the Prophet and Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf said an attack on Islam's founder was "an attack on the whole 1.5 billion Muslims." Watch World News videos on NBCNews.com Dozens of people, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, have been killed this month in violence linked to the film, which also has renewed debate over freedom of expression in the U.S. and in Europe. Protests continued in the Muslim world on Saturday. Scores of people were injured in clashes in Bangladesh's capital between police and hundreds of demonstrators. In Pakistan, more than 1,500 people, including women and children, rallied in the capital. Thousands of people also protested Saturday in Nigeria's largest city, Kano. The crowd marched from a mosque to the palace of the Emir of Kano, the region's top spiritual leader for Muslims. About 200 students in Srinagar, the main city in Indian-controlled Kashmir, chanted "Down with America" and "Long live Islam" in a peaceful protest. Some carried a placard that read, "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger." NBC's Mushtaq Yusufzai in Pakistan and The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this story.
Heartwarming picture for most. Although I am sure this might irritate ATW. Why is the resident Islamophobe so easily offended? http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/21/benghazi-protests.html
I have in fact said that I find these efforts encouraging. But don't let that stop you from putting words in my mouth. Let's hope these moderate forces prevail. Let's not forget that a US ambassador got murdered. Leftists and Islamists are acting like it's a huge success that someone - anyone in the Muslim world demonstrates against this and speaks up against this. Yes, it's encouraging, but it would be better if the murder, committed out of a raging Islamist mob, had not happened and this wasn't necessary.
Yay for Westboro Baptist Church! Seriously though, these people's perversion of Christianity is on par with the distortion of Islam by extremists. Both antithesis and manipulative of their "written word" to justify desires of their flesh. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/xMbfQ117Jts" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> The picketing at funerals reeeally pisses me off. If I ever saw them doin that, I'd drink a gallon of coffee, hop into the car, and do a drive-by diarrhea blast while they're singing and their mouths are open.
I really don't understand these Westboro Baptist people. Why would anyone take time out of their schedule to do what they do? Crazy.
Oh when they do it they're just "crazy" but when Muslims do it they are a bunch of intolerant, extremist, terrorists who hate freedom. Way to go copy boy.
Umm I don't know if "crazy" is a positive thing? Anyway, I haven't heard of these Westboro Baptist people killing people, which might qualify them as terrorists, but I might have missed it. Intolerant - yes. Extremist - apparently - I haven't followed them much. I think crazy describes it pretty well .
Hmm, you wanna know what's crazy plus intolerant plus extremist? You. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=226207 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=226520 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=226400 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=226494 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=226413 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=226353 Look at your post count. Each of those threads has to do either with Islam or Arabs. You should reevaluate your life.
And you took the time to stalk ATW, categorise his posts, and have read or commented in every thread... Kettle...meet the pot. Spoiler ...and now for the obligatory personal attack to come from trustme... .
