SkyrimOwnsAll trolls and ruins yet another thread. Just curious: how many times does someone do this before they get banned?
CF members love racially related topics. It's the ultimate Duracell; it keeps on going and going and going..............
Everytime I close my eyes.. I wake up feeling so HORNYYY. Baby Ima put it in your gap, YEAH, then pour out this FORTYYYY. What race is most likely to sing, not say, the above line? a. Black b. White c. Asian d. Mexican white e. Muslim
Actually, the LoF came based on the "Yao only Fans" (YoF) that were very prevalent on Clutchfans because, well, he was Yao. People loved him globally and worshipped him; whenever the Rockets lost, they would blame everybody but him. I am a huge fan of Yao, but he was to blame for losses as well. So the YoF invasion was annoying to many posters, and ever since that, there has been many "___ only fans" often thrown as a joke. But it looks like LoF is sticking around. And only juvenile and immature posters throw it around as a bullying method, but trolls are trolls. We will probably see during the season some LoF though; it is only natural.
SAS isn't a sports analyst. He always claims his criticism of Lin is based on "sources who know basketball". So SAS is just a mouthpiece of some ananimous sources. How could ESPN allow someone like this, a commentator (he's certainly no journalist) who doesn't know the sport but just expresses others' opinion, so prominent on the air is beyond me.
I am sick of Steven A Smith keeps finding little things to criticizes Lin. He's comparing Felton to Lin believing Felton is a better player. Felton is a top 5 draft pick and had plenty of years of experience and yet still haven't been able to live up to anything yet. Lin on the other hand is an undrafted PG out of HARVARD, and basically in his officially first season, accomplished more than Felton ever did in his entire career. Also, Steven A Smith keeps saying Lin isn't that great because he can't go left like its something so serious. If he knows ANYTHING about basketball, he should know that those things can be fixed with some hard work over the summer. If Lin's a hard worker and has potential (which he does) then those little things can easily be fixed. Plus, Lin could go left but he prefers to go right. I mean, which player doesn't love to go to their strong hand. Its his blabbering and the ignorance that comes out of his mouth is so annoying. Everyone else on that panel except for A*****e Smith knows way more than him. They are basing their opinions from facts while Smith is talking like a true ignorant person that is so stubborn off their own opinions that they don't want to hear the real facts. He's talking about Lin can't play well with Melo but the fact is, he did play well with Melo. He's just too blind to realized that when anyone that plays with Melo are usually reduced to spot up shooters because Melo just ball hogs until the time is running out and passes it at the last second. Its unbelievable how ignorant he is.
Because people feed on it.whether they are ignorant enough to listen to him,or ppl is too angry and still listen to him,then afterwards bash him on forums,or people who are simply amused by his rant styles. ignore him.dont watch him.dont listen to him.i think he will keep ranting as long as there's still a lot of listeners 4low him.I stop listening to Ryan Ruocco after espn breaks him & lundberg group up and pair him to SAS,and I like Ruocco & lundberg out of all of the ppl.i only listens when there's a time SAS takes a holiday.
People here are exaggerating lin's play from last season. Sure it impressive (albeit for only a limited number of games), but it sure as hell was not flawless. Remember those 9 turnover games? that is ridiculous especially for a pg. Should the Knicks have kept him, yea but not for the contract he was offered. That contract was impossible for NY to match. SAS overall point is valid. I would have rather just kept Goran or Lowry to be honest.
Whatever the validity of SAS' points, I think it is fair to say that when fans who have followed the Rockets longer comment on Lin's game, it is in some way a referendum about whether or not Goran or Lowry should still be on the team. Any comment on the new PG is wrapped up in a commentary on the former PGs. I'm not saying you have an agenda behind your evaluation, just simply that none of us actually evaluates a player in a vacuum. There's like a background conversation that happens behind the overt conversation. That means that, even when we are supposedly talking about the same player, there are different conversations happening in the background. People who seem to be disagreeing with each other are actually just in separate conversations. (You might be thinking of Dragic, another of Melo, even though neither of them is on the team. There's prolly a lot of conversations from Knicks forums imported here, whether people realize it or not.) I can't wait for the season to start already, then we can be closer to talking about the same thing.
9 turnovers for that one game early on in the season? Wow. Did you see the games where Westbrook and Wall had 9 turnovers? And the ones where Rose, Rondo, and Irving had 8 turnovers? But really, so what? Did he do it every single game? Did he not improve his handle over the course of the season? What’s more relevant – talking about Lin’s skills/abilities early in the season or his current skills/abilities? If you watched any of Lin’s games, as the season progressed, Lin’s turnovers also decreased and overall got better - as he gained more experience, became more familiar with other players, and adjusted to the major minutes, speed, and demands of a starter position. So, obviously, he’s going to have a learning curve and going to make mistakes. And eventually over time, he’s going to become more skilled as most young players do. Also, when we talk about turnovers, we really should talk about them in context; otherwise, we do a disservice to the players and to the teams (e.g., either blaming the players entirely for it and not giving credit to the players/teams that play incredible defense – after all, no player is completely invincible). So, before judging and making generalizations, we really should ask why did they occur? What kind of defense did the teams use? Did they pressure the ball, use zone defense, etc.? Or were the players negligent or just inexperienced? In the game where Rose had 8 turnovers, the Knicks played great team defense and, more importantly, Shumpert played incredible man-to-man defense and caused the majority of Rose’s turnovers. So, based on this one game, would I draw the conclusion that Rose – the best NBA PG - has flaws? No, because that would be an insult to both players based on the context of this one game. Furthermore, with regards to turnovers, we should also consider the players’ style of play. For example, players who handle the ball a lot (mainly PGs and Point Forwards such as LB) and who especially have an aggressive style of play will naturally have a higher rate of turnovers than others. And by the way, in terms of turnover ratio among point guards last season, Westbrook, Rondo, Nash, Wall, and DWill were right behind Lin. And just before Lin: Rubio, Irving, and Rose. And what actually stands out here and what this list seems to indicate is a group of players that appear to have something in common; they all seem to have an aggressive mentality and, as a previous poster has said, “are always trying to make something good happen for the team” either through passing and/or scoring and, of course naturally, as part of the game, turnovers will occur. So, with all of this in mind, pointing out the turnovers in the one game early on in the season is a little ridiculous. And, talking about his turnovers in general at this particular point in time is getting a little old. Can’t wait for the season to start – actually, can’t wait to see what the rookies can do in NBA games. Also, looking forward to seeing Lin, Chandler, Asik and everyone else (including Douglas) take the next step in their development.
Rose was not the best PG last season but well said. Most elite PGs have a high amount of turnovers. Nash had a turnover % of 15.2 and Lin had a turnover % of 15.6. Andre Miller and Kidd had a 14.2 TO %, Rondo 13.2%, Dragic 13.2%, Irving 12.6%, and so on. Also keep in mind Jeremy Lin was 5th in usage rating last season for PGs! That means the ball is in his hands a lot more than most PGs which means he has more opportunities to turnover the ball. The only elite PG who has high usage that does not turnover the ball much at all is Chris Paul imo who has a ridiculously low TO% of 7.3.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/03/life-in-the-fast-lane/ Jeremy Lin already has a Tony Parker teardrop. Parker didn’t come into the League with his trademark move. It took him several seasons to develop it. Lin developed his at Harvard. That’s one key factor in the Lin equation—four years of college ball. This is the known quantity in the equation. So how fast is Jeremy Lin? BAM gives three numbers: average speed, start speed, and top-end speed. BAM translates this into miles per hour. Average speed is calculated by an algorithm that averages start speed and top speed. Start speed is the first burst of speed, the acceleration phase. Top speed is shifting gears out of the acceleration to one’s peak speed. Here’s how Lin’s BAM numbers compare in the 25 yard sprint. AVERAGE SPEED Jeremy Lin: 16.66 mph Derrick Rose: 16.60 mph John Wall: 16.48 mph Kyrie Irving: 15.67 mph Lin wins this battle. START SPEED Lin: 13.93 mph Wall: 13.25 mph Irving: 12.64 mph For Rose, BAM has only average speed data. Lin wins this battle too. TOP SPEED Lin: 18.85 mph Wall: 19.30 mph Irving: 18.74 mph Lin comes in second to Wall.
I'm not sure how you're getting those numbers. I guess it depends on how total possessions is being calculated. Here's the percentage of possessions ending in a turnover given by HoopData. Filtered by point guards with 25+ minutes of game time, from worst to best. http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2012&gp=0&mins=25
The link doesn't work the way I thought. You have to click on the "TOR" button below "16.60" to sort the column.
@felixng2012, kastuul, and sidestep: thanks for posting the additional info/stats. Always like to learn and talk about a player's game in context, and especially with stats to support it when necessary. Btw, I was referring to turnovers per game (TOPG) in my post above.
I got it off espn. I think the stats you show are a better representation. The ones I was talking about were different stats. TOV% and Usage %. I think TOR takes into account TOV% and Usage %. Nash has a low usage % but very high TOV% that is probably why his TOR is the highest. Basically though Lin's turnovers are overblown. He is no less turnover prone than Nash, Rubio or Rondo. Heck Dragic and Lowry aren't much better than him in terms of turnovers.
