Kevin McHale blames the lockout for not getting along with certain players

Reading comprehension is hard.

 

They just need to work harder (at getting along).

 

I have nothing against McHale for another season, even til the end of his contract, if:
1. Stop making excuses! (I am sick and tired of reading them.)
2. No more young talents lost because of his coaching style.

Is that too much to ask?

 

Yeah I know. It was more questionable to his statement than an affirmative conclusion.

 

No to butt in here, but fact is something like the Earth pulls down on objects with a force called gravity

Saying that "McHale is not into advanced stats" is not fact. Its your opinion.

-Oh, and Lowry never "LEFT" the team. He was traded. If he wasn't traded he would have been forced by a legal contract HE SIGNED to play for the Houston Rockets this season.

-Oh, and the whole "Les wanted to hire a smart coach" argument... as opposed to what alternative in a coaching hire??? A dumb coach??

 

Not my opinion. Here's on the link and quote:

http://rockets.clutchfans.net/2479/kevin-mchale-sports-analytics/
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...le-isn-t-too-interested-sports-210615682.html

Left, traded, either way, McHale was the reason. I am sure you knew exactly my point and thanks for butting in.

 

Dobro, I enjoy your posts and often agree, but can't agree here about Kyle and McHale. Lowry loved playing for Adelman, as did most of the players on the Rocks. To compare Williams having "problems" with Adelman, a player who did little to earn time on the court, to a near All Star level point who had had his best years under Coach Adelman, with Lowry suddenly becoming a "problem player" under a new coach, McHale, doesn't reflect poorly on Adelman, IMO, but rather on McHale, if a coach has to be blamed, and in Wiliams case, it is Williams who deserves the blame. In other words, I don't buy your argument. You say Kyle "elevated his game" under McHale, but a look at the stats (putting aside what I saw watching all the games of the last couple of seasons. Heck, all the seasons for the last several years) tells me, and should have told you, that McHale didn't raise Lowry's game. Lowry raised his game under Rick Adelman, becoming a starting 1 that was the best bargain in the league considering his production and contract.

He continued playing at a high level under McHale until injured. That Lowry didn't like the sudden change in offense wasn't a surprise. He was far from the only player who didn't like the change in offense. Many of us here were very surprised, as well, expecting at least some of Coach A's offense to remain during a transition with a new coach and a strike shortened season. Dragic took full advantage of his chance to start and the rest is history. Normally, a player doesn't lose his starting spot due to injury, but Lowry did and him being upset shouldn't have shocked anyone. So Lowry is gone, Dragic left, and I still wonder what we would have done had New York matched Lin, who I hope can fill the void.

McHale still has a lot to prove as a coach. Adelman, however, has nothing to prove, in my opinion.

 

Thats a very good re-tort.

My point was very simplistic. Probably too simplistic. This kind of relationship happens all the time between coaches and players, and doesn't have to impact the performance on the court.

Lowry didn't see eye to eye with McHale yet he was playing at a near all-star level and got to have the ultimate freedom to have the ball in his hands the good majority of the game as the main decision maker. Essentially he got to play hero-ball, and ended up complaining about the person who was giving him that freedom at the end of the day.

-However, I really dont see anything wrong with that. Lowry and others on the team wanted to run the Adelman offense because they honestly thought it might be able to help them win games. I have no problem with them questioning the coaches play calling if they think it can help them win games.

I guess Im viewing the end of the season when he lost his job due to injury as a seperate occassion and thinking about the first half of the season when he still wasn't getting along with McHale, but was unconsciously taking over games like he did in the Portland game, etc.

I guess my point is that McHale being an A#$ had nothing to do with how Lowry played, and every team is going to have some boneheads on it like Bonzi Wells, or T-Will who are ego-maniacs that can't get along with anyone. I do think that Lowry has a little bit of that in him as well, but the side notes is that he's actually pretty darn good, and like Worrell always says, "there's nobody else Id rather be in the foxhole with."

Might simplistic point is that I just dont think that a coach not getting along with a couple of players is anything out of the norm, and gets blown out of proportion amongst people that follow the NBA or report about it. Most of those people obviously haven't ever played the game on a competitive level to understand the coaching player relationship that goes on.

-oh, and yes McHale has a TON to prove, and the decision on whether or not to extend him out past this year should be taken into account by his performance as a coach this season.

 

I want to add that Chase also didn't have good things to say about McHale.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=6951938&postcount=46

NBA players usually dont say anything bad about their ex-coaches. But to have two in an offseason should really raise the alarm, however you want to perceive it....

 

McHale isn't a guy who can coach in this era. He comes off as petty, a bully and someone who snipes at his own players in the media. The players don't seem to trust him or have an level of respect for him.

 

Saying that McHale is "into" or "not into" advanced stats doesn't really mean anything factual to me because its not something we can measure in comparison to other NBA coaches based on what your assuming in your comments. We know he looks at them, and we know that doesn't gameplan soley based on what those stats say..... ok.... He might not be "into them" but that doesn't mean anyone else is anymore than him either.

As far as we know there is no recorded evidence of the use of Sabermetrics or whatever advanced stats they have available to use with head coaches that we can even make an educated guess even on how McHale compares to other NBA head coaches in his use of stats in gameplanning.

Even if McHale himself says that he's not reading too much into Sabermetrics, it doesn't mean that he's not looking at them in the same way as any other coach. So when you say he's not "into them" your assuming that this is something that is abnormal.

Morey himself is the poster boy for advanced stats, and the moneyball approach to basketball, and he himself has said that the advanced statistics are not the end-all-be-all.

So McHale saying the same thing essentially in a McHale sarcastic comment way doesn't really say anything factual to me about his use of statistics on the court when pretty much any coach would say the exact same thing about statistics and the relation to gameplanning.

 

So basically... McHale is being criticized for:
1) not publically "owning up" to his own failures and providing "excuses" and
2) for "driving away" certain players?

Talk about nitpicking... find something of substance to criticize him on. If you don't like his coaching - discuss how he didn't run an effective offense that fully utilized Lowry's skills. There is too much weight being put on some mere words that don't fully illuminate McHale's thinking/approach. The full interview with Feigen was actually great and didn't seem to shift blame at all. This yahoo article is just fluff to create exactly this kind of fervor...

 

He's tough on his role players, I like it. I'm sure if he had a legit star come to town, he'd cater to him and they'd get along fine.

At least we know the rook's won't have it handed to them, they'll earn it if they want it bad enough.

 

In the end, isn't that what we all want?

 

In the end, it doesn't even matter

Spoiler

-er-er-err.

 

If you are ok with McHale doing that as our headcoach, that's your standard. But doesnt make I agree with you. If you want to discuss about his coaching by all means. Don't let me stop you.

And dont forget this is a Rockets forum; open to all discussions and criticisms of players and coaches. If you can't handle other member's criticism on our headcoach, maybe this is not a place for you.

 

Aren’t you a little too technical with ‘into’ or ‘not into?’

Let me take you back to the time to Adelman’s era. We all know Adelman did a fantastic job, very much overachieved with all the injuries he had to face. Why was he let go? Morey. Those two men disagreed on virtually every move, but mostly due to Adelman not buying in to Morey's analytic focus. Morey constantly wanted tweaking his roster with trades and in better position for championship pieces, and Adelman wanted stability. After Adelman was let go, Morey let Les decide who the next coach will be.

There were three final candidates; Frank, Casey, and McHale. Consider Frank, who had proven himself as an NBA coach and a reputation more in fitting with Morey than other two options. And Casey who IMO was also better qualified than McHale. If Morey hired Frank and the Rockets struggled, it's not just Frank at risk. It's Morey. Let’s face it, McHale was the least likely candidate who will buy in to his analytic focus. He didn’t even know much advanced statistics before he came to Houston. Why did Rockets hire McHale? It was all on Les. It was Les recommendation that they hire someone smart. By that I am guessing, the ‘smartest’ among the final candidates. It was Les who made the final decision. If the Rockets fail in during McHale’s tenure, Les has no one to blame but McHale and himself for the hiring. Morey knew McHale wasn't the coach he wouldve preferred but at least, it's job security for him!

Here’s is an insight as to McHale’s job Interviews:

http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets...-+NBA+Basketball%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
There is the quote and link about hiring a ‘smart coach.’
Maybe you should email Morey as to the question about Les saying to mainly hiring a smart coach as oppose to a dumb coach???

 

Your English/reading comprehension needs help. Of course, its ok to criticize, but the basis for your criticisms should be valid/rational/substantive. That's all I said. In my previous post, I didn't even indicate where I stood w/r/t McHale as a coach.

 

Had no idea Chase had beef with McHale, thats SAYS a LOT

Maybe Morey hired the wrong guy, this season we will see if Morey got the right guy or fired the wrong one

 

I blame McHale ... and certain other players for not getting along with each other.