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Romney at a fundraiser talking about Obama supporters

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rox1, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. Nook

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    So now, in this particular case, which just happens to involve your son, it is not an entitlement or government hand out?

    Gotcha....
     
  2. Northside Storm

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    You might want to think about blanket statements about 47% of the population.

    http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/disability/sipp/disab10/figure_2.pdf

    That's a huge boat of people, each with their own problems.
     
  3. basso

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    are you suggesting education is a government "handout?"
     
  4. JeopardE

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    Are you willing to go on the record and say that free public education for every child, paid for by the government and sponsored by taxpayer money, is NOT an entitlement but a right?
     
  5. basso

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    i'm saying that if a FAPE is mandated for all children, and then denied for some, that pursuing redress is a reasonable course of action.
     
  6. Northside Storm

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    funny

    This exact argument could apply now to healthcare.

    THANKS, OBAMA
     
  7. gifford1967

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    No, I don't.
     
  8. redlawn

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    basso, I'm with you on this one.

    For the over 3 decades, there has been a massive campaign to redistribute wealth from the poor/middle class upwards to the rich. It's the reason that the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.

    The market is an insider's game, and is nothing more than wealth redistribution mechanism. Talk to any IT member of a stock brokerage. Talk to any developer of high frequency trading systems. These systems are built to extract capital from the common investor and redistribute it into the hands of "big money".

    Consider tax laws. Capital gains is taxed lower than average middle class salary earner. The laws are bought and written for the rich, in order to fill their own coffers.

    This campaign to redistribute wealth from the 99% upwards to the 1% must end.
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    the question now is how this might effect congressional and state races.

    Romney has done tremendous damage to not only himself but the entire republican brand.
     
  10. gifford1967

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    It is. And the redress requires "redistributing" wealth from some citizens to others so that they may receive the "government benefits" that they are "dependent" on.
     
  11. mc mark

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    As rimrocker has stated several times, I was realy hoping Romney could hold on a couple more weeks before the implosion and the PAC money walks away and concentrates on the down ballot races.

    we'll see
     
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  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    that's a good point. But it works both ways as dems have some pac money too now.

    But You already see many Republican candidates distancing themselves from Romney.

    You have 3 effects that may come from this

    1. People become more turned-off by the Republican party overall - believing that Romney just showed the true nature of not himself, but the party as a whole.

    2. People decide not to vote for Romney and stay home, which hurts down-ticket races

    3. People get pissed off and it energize Obama voters and affects down-ticket races in favor of dems.
     
  13. mc mark

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    Romney pissing off his own voters (lots of poor republicans in that 47%)

    Are the 46.4 Percenters All Democrats?

    Romney also said the 46.4 percent who pay no federal income tax “will vote for the president no matter what,” and, therefore, President Obama starts off with an automatic 48 percent or 49 percent of the vote. But that doesn’t jibe with polling data.

    It’s safe to say that most of the 46.4 percent referred to by Romney are in the lower income brackets. According to the most recent Gallup polls of registered voters, 37 percent of those making less than $36,000 a year indicate they plan to vote for Romney. Moreover, as we noted earlier, a sizable chunk of 46.4 percenters are retirees, and among those 65 and older, Romney leads Obama by nine points, 52 percent to 43 percent. According to a Rasmussen Reports poll of likely voters between Sept. 10 and 16, 40 percent of those making less than $20,000 said they plan to vote for Romney; 50 percent of those making between $20,000 and $40,000 said they supported Romney. The Pew Research Center similarly found in its latest poll that 32 percent of those making less than $30,000 and 42 percent of those making between $30,000 and $50,000 support Romney — as do a plurality of seniors.

    A map put out by the Tax Foundation of the 10 states with the highest and lowest percentage of filers with no federal tax liability shows that the states with the highest percentage of non-filers are, by-and-large, states that typically vote Republican, while the 10 states with the lowest percentage of non-filers tend to be Democratic-leaning.

    That’s not a precise measure of the voting habits of those who don’t pay federal income taxes, but it suggests Romney is way off when he assumes all of the 46.4 percenters vote Democratic.
     
  14. thadeus

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    It won't matter. Romney, and the interests he represents, have invited lots of working-class voters to identify themselves with the powerful moneyed handful of folks who benefit from things like deregulation. Unfortunately, those working-class voters have eagerly, even slavishly, accepted the chance to identify themselves with the rich and the powerful.

    I guess it doesn't matter to those working-class voters that they'll never even be allowed on the premises of the country clubs and boardrooms where their candidates meet.
     
  15. mc mark

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    on the twitters --


    Hey Mr. Romney,

    Now would be the best time in the world to release those tax returns, since you just accused half of America of being moochers and parasites who don’t pay any taxes.

    Sincerely,

    Half of America
     
  16. basso

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    Charles Dharapak, AP
    By Mitt Romney

    Updated: 09/18/2012 10:20pm

    Since our founding, America has promoted personal responsibility, the dignity of work and the value of education. Those values made our nation the hope of the earth and our economy the envy of the world.

    Efforts that promote hard work and personal responsibility over government dependency make America strong. When the economy is growing and Americans are working, everyone involved has a shared sense of achievement, not to mention the basic sense of pride that comes with the paycheck they earn.

    However, over the past four years, those kinds of opportunities have been in short supply. We're experiencing the worst recovery since the Great Depression. Unemployment has been above 8% for 43 straight months; 47 million Americans are on food stamps. Nearly one in six Americans now live in poverty.

    Under President Obama, we have a stagnant economy that fosters government dependency. My policies will create a growing economy that fosters upward mobility.

    Government has a role to play here. Right now, our nation's citizens do need help from government. But it is a very different kind of help than what President Obama wants to provide.

    My experience has taught me that government works best when it creates the space for individuals and families to pursue success and achieve great things. Economic freedom is the only force that has consistently succeeded in creating sustained prosperity and lifting people out of poverty. It is why our economy rose to rival those of the world's leading powers -- and has long since surpassed them all.

    The dreamers and the entrepreneurs, not government, built this economy, and they can once again make it strong.

    My course for the American economy will encourage private investment and personal freedom. Instead of creating a web of dependency, I will pursue policies that grow our economy and lift Americans out of poverty.

    My five-point plan will deliver the economic recovery we've all been waiting for and the jobs millions of Americans still need. This can be more than our hope; it can be our future. And it can start this November with your vote.

    Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney is the Republican candidate for president.

    Copyright 2012 USA TODAY

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    If he feels so strongly that 47% of the population is worthless (which is how I took it), why is he even running for President at all? Utter insanity to say this. If you believe half of your country is pathetic and lame, why would you want to be elected to lead them?

    Also, if we're misconstruing your comments, or you didn't say them how you wanted, hold a news conference where you come out and clarify those comments. Own up to them. That's the only way this gets better.

    I like the his article in the post above mine puts the blame on Obama, when Obama inherited this mess, for the most part.
     
  18. thegary

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    picture mitt building himself a really luxurious coffin made of mexican mahogany. the interior is lined with mantled howler monkey fur. now picture him laying down inside with a smug look of satisfaction on his face as he closes the lid. that's pretty much a metaphor for what he said in the video.
     
  19. Carl Herrera

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    So far, GOP candidates and officials who have more or less disowned Mitt's comment include:

    Scott Brown (Senate, MA)
    Linda McMahon (Senate, CT)
    Susana Martinez (Governor, NM)
    Dean Heller (Senate, NV)
    Mike Meadows (House, NC)

    These are just folks in office or running for office, and not including commentators like Peggy Noonam, William Kristol, David Brooks and Mark McKinnon.
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    One word: Ego
     

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