I think you're mistaken here. Hong Kong technically was ceded in perpetuity after their losses in the Opium Wars. Unbelievably, Mao had to make a trip to Britain to actually negotiate for HK's return. The colonization of HK are just one of the reasons that the Opium Wars are so notorious in Chinese history. The thing here is that even Japanese politicians acknowledged that the islands belonged to China when they tried to stake a claim to the islands in 1895. Japanese officials even warned the Imperial government not to stake a claim to the islands for fear of the Qing government. These documents are from Japan's own national archives. Futhermore, Russia has come out and said that the islands are indisputable Chinese territory. Japanese p*rn star, Sora Aoi, who is hugely popular in China has also said that the islands belong to China.
redlawn I was following your argument until you arrived at p*rn star. I had to google her and now I've totally lost track of your argument.
Let's see: 1) China is about to undergo a leadership change. 2) China's soon-to-be new leader straight-up disappears for a couple weeks (health related). 3) China's stock market has yet to fully recover from a Spring 2011 decline. 5) China's economic growth is slowing. 4) China's central bank and financial sector appear to be hiding a real-estate bubble and mortgage-debt problem that could cause further economic slow-down and increase unemployment. And now the Chinese are b****ing about some rocks that'll disappear in 400 years when sea-levels rise.
Good findings but Hongkong was "rented" to GB for 99 years(the treaty was signed in 1899 and Hongkong was returned in 1997 making it exactly that) and Mao had never been to a foreign country except for the soviet union. It's Mrs. Thatcher who went to Beijing to negotiate the future of Hongkong after 1997. It was under the iron fist threat from Deng Xiaoping that Thatcher was forced to return the full sovereity of Hongkong to China.
Incorrect. Hong Kong and Kowloon Island were technically ceded in perpetuity. It's the reason there was a negotiation at all. You are, however, correct that the negotiations took place with Deng Xiaoping in Beijing/Hong Kong. I'd like to point out that the fact that you call it an iron fist threat is ironic, because this is exactly how Britain took over HK in the first place, and under the threat that the Chinese be forced to sell opium to its people.
China has already hinted it is willing to use economy to force Japan to step back, if Japan doesn't listen, then China will just simply escalate to their next plan. No matter if the governments from both PRC or ROC succeed on taking back Diaoyu Tai (Islands) this time or not, the civil activists will never stop trying to land on those islands. There were activists died for the cause already, most Chinese would be willing to do whatever it takes to get Diaoyu Islands back, as long as there is still Chinese in this world. A lot of western media has promoted the idea that Chinese people are brainwashed on the issue. If that is the case, how can you explain why Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, other Chinese people who left China before Communist took over all agree that the Diaoyu Islands should belong to China. The facts are so obvious except in all reports in Western media, they are all standing on the Japanese side and try to brainwash people about the cause was the oil and natural gas. They failed to mention the fact that Japan invade Taiwan to gain control of those islands and when America won WW2, those islands should return back to Taiwan. However, in order to create conflicts in the region to sell more weapons and to contain Communist China, the US decided to give those islands to Japan with both ROC and PRC protesting back in 1971. US has no right to give away other people's stolen property to the thief. The logic is just that simple. In many Chinese' eyes, PRC has lost too much territories to the neighbours already, just look at the original border when ROC was governing China to now the PRC borders. All Chinese are angry that PRC has been taking too soft a stance. That's why they are willing to go protest at those islands even without any army protection and risk being arrested and prosecuted by Japan gov't. It's only a matter or time, Chinese will get the islands back. The determination will never fade but grow even stronger if time goes on.
Sorry the new territories was a 99 year lease signed in 1898, Hongkong and Kowloon island was ceded in perpetuity by Nanjing treaty during the first opium war in 1842 and by Beijing treat during the second opium war in 1860, respectively. Talk about iron fist, history is always a b****. The issue of Diaoyu island will eventually be solved by the Chinese full-fledged navy might, either directly against the Japs or somebody else, which means the Chinese are powerful enough militarily to deter any intentions to grab its claimed territory. The eastern Chinese societies, Japan and Koreas will be united as one some day, in one form or another. The leader has to be the Chinese, simply because they are indeed the origin and deep roots of the whole oriental culture. The conflicts between mainland china, Japan, Korean and Taiwan will continue in the near future, but that simply can not stop the almighty historical footsteps.
Well, well, look at you. I enjoyed that little bit of passive-aggressive sarcasm. Surely, you can try a little bit harder next time, will ya?
I can further state that the unity can not be achieved if CCP is still in power in China. There must be a culture renaissance before that. Satisfied?
Hmm... Well anyway, I do hope that China has a cultural renaissance, but those things will be better achieved via grassroots causes and from their own self-cognizance, rather than imposed top-down as Mao unsuccessfully hoped for in his own Cultural Revolution. One's goals may be true, but it's important that the corresponding methods do not hurt your own cause.
Oh, for Pete's sake. We've apologized and given out reparations, regardless of what your government will tell you, and most Japanese of my generation do know that the IJA was not a good thing for Asia. But even then, that's not even relevant to my point. Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, and so on? Just because they don't like us does NOT mean that they would be willing to accept some Asian union which a sixth grader could realize would basically mean that they would become China's servants. That is my point here.
*facepalme* it was a joke dude......and in case you still don't get it, the joke was that I had to look her up on google, masterb**ed and hence lost track of the argument.
I think this is a bad assertion. Japan officially took control of the island in 1895 by crushing China in the first sino-Japanese war. Through this war the Japanese forced China to cede Manchuria, Korea, Taiwan and it's surrounding islands. If you make that argument then it would give Japan sovereignty over those lands as well. It should be noted that Japan also have similar territorial disputes with South Korea, Taiwan and Russia. If you assert that Japan owns those islands for that reason then that would just open another can of worms in Japan's dispute with those countries. This is why the Japanese argument have always been that the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands are not part of the Taiwan island group to try and make these acquisitions completely separate transactions from other land gained during the sometime.
I think the crux of Japanese argument is that it's unmanned island and china never really controlled it. I am not following what assertion you are referring to.
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