People bashing on Schaub: Who is a better alternative? Must be a veteran (this team is built for the playoffs now) and above all must be a plausible option for the Texans to acquire. Put up or shut up.
I just dont understand how you can say Schaub is better then Joe Montana. Can you explain it to me please, grown up talk only here no trolling. sigh
You’ve devolved into nothing more than a ill-defined, constantly-moving target that you can at any time repackage to continue your flaccid attack on one of the NFL’s better QBs; you’re an endless series of “yeah, but…”s… You said earlier in this thread that you would gladly eat crow if Schaub proves you wrong - that, my online message forum friend, is a giant pile of hooey and you know it. You’ll NEVER eat crow because Matt Schaub, for whatever reason, will never achieve whatever it is you want him to achieve because when he does… you’ll simply raise the bar and drop another “yeah, but…” on us. There is no end to this debate with you. Ever. Your opinion was made-up long ago and you have dug in for the long haul. It’s a pity because what the Texans have evolved into is something to absolutely get excited about. Watching them with one eye on the rug underneath you sounds certifiably horrible and I don’t envy your bitter, cynical point of view one bit. Enjoy perpetual disappointment - try not to spill any of your mess on the rest of us….
I think it is funny(sad, actually) that ubigdakota is celebrating the 1 year anniversary of this doozie of a thread..... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=209074&highlight=Schaub+debate&page=53 ........a thread that was hijacked by the infamous silver back haired one, DD, by......wait for it..... ......hijacking another thread by arguing in the exact same manner as his idol who originally hijacked him.
You do understand that NFL contracts are non guaranteed right? If he was to get injured badly then they could always cut him, only 24.7 M of the deal is guaranteed. Four years at 15M per year is not bad at all considering Peyton Manning got 18M plus even after coming off a way more serious injury . True Schaub is no Manning but his injury was nowhere close to what Peyton's was. Besides the Texans are in "win now" mode and don't really have the luxury of drafting a QB. The only option other than Schaub that would fit the bill is Drew Brees next year and rumors are that he is going to be asking upwards of 100M. Knowing the Texans management Brees is a pipe dream Schaub is really the next best alternative that is out there.
Not only that, but I think it's better to lock him up now because 1) you can start to look forward with other financial planning and 2) You don't run the risk of him having a great year with a big postsesason to only then have to overpay to keep him here. His stock is probably the lowest it will go since he's coming off an injury
Great point. In addition, I'd say that this falls right into what the Texans have always said...they'll extend the guys who earn it for the team. Say what you will about his injury history, but the guy has been everything the Texans have needed when they acquired him. Great leader, good player, keeps his mouth shut, and does his job. He's accountable when he screws up. He praises other players when he does well. This stuff about "he could go down for the season any moment"...tell me what other player in the NFL that's not applicable too.
Matt Schaub in his last five starts: 79/122 (65%) 1,148 yards 5 TDs 1 INT 105.5 QBR 33.8 points/game 5-0 record It floors me we're still having the "Matt Schaub Debate." His only downside is injury - but concern over it only underscores his value. If we lose him, the season is sunk - they might still scratch their way to the playoffs. But any hope of advancing to the AFC Championship Game and competing for a Super Bowl berth is dead. If that doesn't qualify for elite status, I'm not sure what does, nor can you find better QB play than what he's in the midst of right now. His injury last year may very well go down as the single worst moment in this franchise's history.
I like Schaub, but this is pretty silly and misleading. Schaub's last fives are against 4 terrible teams and one mediocre one (Tennessee). There are plenty of other QBs with better numbers, against better teams: Dree Brees, QB rating way over 100, 20 TDs and 5 INTs in his last 5 games, 1900+ yards. Only 3-2, but that includes 2 playoff games and 3 playoff teams. Lowest scoring output was 32 pts in those games. Going back further, he's 9-2 in his last 11 games, with *37* TDs and 8 INTs with a QB rating well over 100. Tom Brady, QB rating over 100, 4-1 in last 5, including 4 playoff teams. 13 TDs, 5 INTs, 1500+ yards. Eli Manning, QB rating a bit over 100, 4-1 in last 5, including 4 playoff wins and a Superbowl. 10 TDs, 1 INT, 1200+ yards. Tony Romo, QB way over 100 (5 games: 95, 141, 133, 106, 129), 13 TDs, 2 INTs, 1400+ yards, though his team has sucked.
Schaub faced 3 eventual playoff teams last year before going down, NO, PIT, and BAL.. Only a 1-2 record to show for it, but he performed admirably throwing 5 TDs, 1 int, and about 750 yards....in a run heavy offense. Of those 3 games, we were only truly beaten by BAL, but that game was closer than the score showed and he did not have his #1 target available. Schaub will do just fine.
If that's really how you feel, then that seems like a fair evaluation. The issue though, is that how do you get a top 10 QB on the team? If, like you say, Schaub is 11ish, then you really cant do much better than that given the circumstances. And really, given the make up of this team, you dont need to do better to win. A healthy Matt Schaub gets the Texans to where they need to go. I rate Schaub a little higher, in the 9-11 range. I think if Schaub wins a playoff game, I need to put him solidly in the top 10. There are QBs that have been considered elite and have much better tools than Schaub, but that I rate near the same range as Matt...for instance, I dont rate Vick very high...same with Matt Ryan (at least not yet). I think Ryan has a higher ceiling for sure, but I wouldnt say he's 100% ahead of Schaub right now. The QBs that are definitely in a tier ahead of Schaub: Rodgers Brees Brady Manning Manning Big Ben Rivers I think Stafford, Romo, Schaub, Ryan, Cam, and Vick are vying for the next few spots. And really, Im not a big fan of Rivers (I think he's been struggling) and Vick. I think they are vastly overrated.
The vast majority of teams in the NFL are mediocre or worse. Why does that discount his performance? Look at the division Tom Brady has played in for the better part of a decade - it's routinely featured 1 or 2 of the worst teams in football and has predominantly been overflowing with mediocrity - and I've never heard anyone slap a "yeah, but..." when discussing his elite credentials. Same goes for Peyton Manning, who, in his prime, faced an expansion team twice a year. The sample size is small, but he’s showing signs of having raised his game significantly. Case in point - You just listed three of the best QBs in football right now, and potentially three of the *greatest* QBs in the history of football. If you have to trot those guys out to try and discredit Schaub, it's pretty indicative of him playing at a very high level.
Certainly - and I like Schaub and think he's fine for this team. I'm just pointing out that the stats used to show that he was elite were ridiculously misleading. The QB rating was decent, but lots of QBs have that type of QB rating over 5 games. The TD/INT/Yards were all middling; the most impressive part was 5-0, but that came against: Tennessee (9-7) Jacksonville (5-11) Cleveland (4-12) Tampa Bay (4-12) Miami (0-1) Lots of QBs would go 5-0 against those teams. Several QB's went 4-1 with much better stats against much better competition. The idea that you can't find a QB that played better than Schaub in that stretch is hyperbole.
Five to 10, when healthy. He does *everything* you want a QB to do: he's efficient, he throws the ball down field effectively, he doesn't turn the ball over and his team puts a lot of points on the board. Other than health, I have no concerns about the guy.
It doesn't discount his performance. It discounts the value of 5-0, which was the only truly impressive stat in your list. I disagree with this - he's always been fairly consistent. He just got a nice run of terrible opponents, but I'd argue he was just as good before that. I'm not trying to discount Schaub - as I stated, I like him for what this team needs. But I listed QBs that are in a tier above Schaub, and their stats were a tier above Schaub. You said: If that doesn't qualify for elite status, I'm not sure what does, nor can you find better QB play than what he's in the midst of right now. That's the part I disagree with. Those stats are fairly pedestrian outside of QB rating (which many QB's match over 5 games) and W/L, which is partly the result of terrible competition. I found several QBs playing better than what he's in the midst of right now. That said, Schaub doesn't have to be elite for this team - no team is dominant in all areas, and the running game and defense are the dominant pieces for this team, so the QB just has to be good, rather than great. Most of those other QBs play for teams that need their QB to be great to win - that's not the case with the Texans.
