U.S. ambassador, 3 American diplomats killed by protesters in Libya

This feels like 1980 again. Waking up to see our American brothers at the mercy of these fanatic bastards and Peanut man was a failed weaksauce for a president.

This incident is the last straw, B Kardashian and all the libtards must go away. We need to restore America once again to her proper place in this world.

 

Agreed. The movie has nothing to do with it - Islamists find an excuse regardless (whether it's a movie, a cartoon, or a gust of wind that touches them the wrong way). Even worse, so called moderate followers of the religion constantly justify it (da1, mathloom, adeelsiddiqui, giddyup, etc) to the point of embarrassment for an unbiased party like myself. These attacks are not "just" a result of desperation from people living in extreme poverty, it's part of a broken chain on a cycle that just won't run.

The sad thing is - these people and the ideology they follow won't ever change unless they're left on an island. Everyone, no matter how little they have, lives with some sense of pride. That means the US pulls out of the Muslim world and let's them cripple to floor handling themselves.

Unfortunately it all comes back to oil money being the blue light and the US being a swarm of mosquito's, so you'll forever have a cyclical nature of crimes against humanity, emotional outrage, and an ideology with nothing to lose versus a country with it's hand in everyone's money pot.

Who will make the first step? Being the bigger man, it has to be the US.

 

Probably not. Because ... US will not send personnel afoot on Lybian's soil. But had Qaddafi still been in power, there could have been much bigger problem in brewing. We will never know, I guess. Accounts of Qaddafi's brutality for his ambition for power is well reported. I think ridding of him is a good thing, not only to the US but to the Lybian people as well. I view this as a complete seperate matter from removing Qaddafi.

 

By sending more troops overseas and fighting more wars?

 

Yup, a couple of good nukes would do the trick.

 

You mean like helping the Lybian's getting rid of gaddafi?

 

This is a very important question and one that I have gone back and forth over. Strongmen like Saddam Hussein did crack down on extremist religious groups but in the long run I think secular dictatorships aren't a good thing for the Middle East and have made things worse in regard to security for the region and the US.

While Mubaraks and Husseins might at ally themselves to the US or commit to peace plans those commitments are only dependent on the whim of the strongman and as Saddam Hussein showed their whims can change. A bigger problem though is that a dictatorship while keeping a lid on religious and tribal tensions does nothing to really address those tensions and even exacerbates them. First they empower radical religious groups as those become the most prominent opposition to the strong man in society (Muslim Brotherhood) or they inflame tribal tensions since they often favor the tribe that they come from (Alawites in Syria). Without democracy the members of the society can never develop a true civil society where individuals can take responsibility for themselves. They are either the benefactors or victims of the dictatorship with no legitimate outlet for expression or ability to make change. I think that is one of the things while many in the Middle East express a victim mentality and also lash out violently in the way we are seeing to perceived slights.

 

seriously the sooner we can find energy independence...the sooner we can leave the Arabs alone...and just get the hell out of there...

 

According to all reports of I've heard the Libyan security forces did try to fight off the protestors but were outnumbered and out gunned.

 

Which shows you that the problem of Islamist extremism isn't just a few idiots. Just as the constant attempts to downplay such behavior and its roots in Islamist ideology by supposedly "moderate" Muslim posters here show the same.

 

we import more oil from Canada than all Arab countries combined

something else is to blame

 

Using an absolute crappy video posted on YouTube to justify or condone this senseless act of barbaric violence that has led to the death of 4 innocent people is the most astonishing backward thinking, mind blowing things that I have ever come across...really.

Take a good hard look in the mirror at yourselves, this is how far down the 'crap' creek left wing hippie tree hugging Political Correctness has taking you. Blaming a video for the actions of mindless violent murderous thugs.

Go tell the family of he victims that it wasn't the 'murderous mob's fault' it was America's fault for its imperialist attitudes and allowing free speech that upsets certain minorities.

Could you imagine telling the family of J. Christopher Stevens and the 3 others killed that, it wasn't the mob's fault...it was Youtube's fault for allowing the video to be shown.

I guess this is the thanks America gets for the billions of dollars in aid that it gives to the region.

 

I agree with your conclusion.

But why the choice of Islam is a sad thing. Sad to whom. You said it, they live with pride and we all can see they feel strong about their religion. Nobody after watching Avatar would say the blue people were sad for refusing "civilization". I think the root of all evil is this condensending view of other's culture.

 

agreed

there is a fundamental problem that is truly the elephant in the room

just look at the Muslim posters here like da1 and Ghettostar85 -- there's further proof

 

I don't think all-out censorship is good. Maybe Youtube should flag videos that are insulting towards certain religions and prevent them from being viewable in countries where the populace can't handle it.

 

More like 1983 Beirut Marine Barracks bombing, in which 299 US Marines & French soldiers died, and ol' President Ronny did...nothing, then turned tail and ran home.

 

I think Youtube has censoring program that removes p*rn, crime inciting, etc videos in place already. The flag and reporting also has been working for them to remove copyrighted stuff. Video like this should be on that list in the future as well.

 

We need to find an alternative to oil as a major energy source, if we can create a form of energy that makes oil obsolete, we will have solved the problem in the middle east. They can have that area to do as they wish without interference from the rest of the world. Sink or float, it is their own choice.

 

However if we didn't have middle east oil the oil we got from Canada would be 6 bucks a gallon.

 

Youtube as a private company can do what it wants but I think censoring videos of an inflammatory religious and / or political nature is in the long term a bad idea. Free speech is very dangerous but it is necessary to the advancement of civilization as a whole. Especially as I noted above that many of these societies that were under the rule of strong men where they weren't allowed to develop a civil society. Things like this just may be part of a painful process towards a civil society.