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INTERPOL, Swedish Authorities help Saudis track down Christian Convert who fled...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by IzakDavid13, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. IzakDavid13

    IzakDavid13 Member

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    You are right in some respect, Muslim people are not the problem.
    The extremist who demand that the teaching be carried out in full are the problem.

    As humans we are all the same, it is what we are taught or indoctrinated with that can cause us to go astray.

    And I have read the Quran, along with its contextual commentary...and it is still a gruesome, violent and hateful book in many ( if not a majority ) of its pages.

    I just thank God that some Imams choose to teach only the virtuous, spiritual side of Islam.
     
  2. NMS is the Best

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    I have read the Quran many times and I don't see it that way. In fact, you implying that a majority of its pages are gruesome, violent, and hateful make me think you haven't really read the whole thing...

    I would say pretty much all Imams do this.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Look... What Saudis do to non Muslims are despicable but at the same time missionaries are stupid. Keep your religion to yourself and stop pretending you are right and need to spread the "truth" to others. Its condescending.
     
  4. R0ckets03

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    These people from your church are pretty damn stupid.
     
  5. eMat

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    :grin::grin::grin: If that was sarcasm, then well done!
     
  6. moestavern19

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    Christianity and Islam have been on a Holy War course since 9/11. Intelligent people do not care what gods people worship, only when their religious views conflict with personal freedoms.

    Tea Party crazies who want the Ten Commandments to be part of the US Constitution are cut from the same cloth as the scary Muslims they claim to hate (fear) so much.

    Religious extremism in many cases is a product of being poor and uneducated. "God" is a coping mechanism for people who are angry that they are on the lower rung of society. Of course certain politicians will claim to support their radical views in attempt to gain their votes.

    This Islamaphobia is a white male sexual fantasy, much like the black people who were lynched in the South. The threat is not that women are being treated poorly, but that another race might enslave white women and sexually dominate them.

    Izak mentions his white daughters because his fear is that a scary brown man may sexually possess them at some point because radical Islam exists in a small percentage of the Muslim contingent.

    Izak perhaps you should get a rope and lynch the nearest brown skinned man you see. Your white female sex paranoia might be momentarily culled until the next time you log onto the internet.
     
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  7. IzakDavid13

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    Moestavern
    From all of your 32,243 posts, this one is probably your worst.

    Thanks for coming.
     
  8. R0ckets03

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    And all your 3700 posts suck equal ass.
     
  9. IzakDavid13

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    At least you think 96 of them are good.

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    You love it.

    This one makes 97

    :grin:
     
  10. moestavern19

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    I guarantee you it isn't.

    Your obsessive nature points to a traumatic childhood experience. Perhaps you never could gain your fathers respect, so you became obsessed with his beliefs in order to win his favor. But much to your chagrin, no matter how many times you quote Isaiah and Jeremiah and bash the Quran, he still never gives you your due.

    Keep fighting the good fight.
     
  11. IzakDavid13

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    I will. Although this is getting a little repetitive, and upsetting some folks...which isn't the object of my posting.
     
  12. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Izak, let's say hypothetically you wanted to insult the 1-2 billion Muslims in the world. What woud you do/say differently in order to achieve your definition of "insulting"?
     
  13. IzakDavid13

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    If the truth and relaying facts is insulting, I can't help you.

    If you were allowed to look at the Islamic scriptures and critique them, discuss them or allowed to disagree with at least some of what was written...then a debate or discussion would be great...but as you have said previously, there are some things that just can't be said or discussed due to laws in pertaining to certain countries.

    I can't (and do not want to) answer your question, because to insult people isn't my intention.

    Truth sometimes hurts, but the truth shall set you free.
     
  14. moestavern19

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    The truth is not in your best interest, trying to hurt Muslims is in your interest.

    Let's not try and hide behind altruistic bull****, the truth is as subjective as anything else.

    The Old Testament is every bit as violet and brutal as anything in the Quran.

    It is ignorant persons like you with your bigoted, uniformed opinions that end up murdering innocent people in Wisconsin. All in the name of protecting peace my ass.

    You have become what you hate.
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    It's not insulting to me at all.

    I wanted to demonstrate that your behavior mimics the behavior of a person who wants to insult all Muslims. Judging by the fact that you couldn't even come up with something more insulting to Muslims than what you already say/do, you've already made my point for me.

    You can call it truth and facts all you want, but you are being a coward or an airhead by claiming not to want to insult Muslims. The predictable outcome of your posts is that even Muslims of moderate beliefs will be insulted. You may not agree with their reaction, but you have done this enough by now to see (just like everyone else) that these messages are considered offensive by virtually all Muslims. If your goal was to generate real debate or to transfer information, then you wouldn't choose a posting method which shoots your credibility in the foot within the first 10 words.

    I can go on and on about the plethora of liberal and moderate posters, Muslim and non-Muslim, who clearly believe that there is a line of sanity which you have crossed. But it won't matter. You're recently claiming that you will stop posting these things because your posts are not achieving the outcome you delusionally envisioned - it's quite telling that you would rather stop posting these things than re-evaluate what you believe.

    Perhaps you should consider why these things happen more deeply. Why is it that this happens in some sharia countries and not in others? Why does it happen in non-sharia countries? Why do the swedish authorities and interpol assist them if neither the international community nor sweden agree with these actions?

    Do you really think that picking out random problems in "Islamic" countries and posting them will somehow convince anyone that they are more/less prominent? That they are directly related to Islam? Consider the possibility that I pick out the most amazing stories about those same countries, and constantly post them - does that mean those countries are amazing? Does that mean Islam is amazing? Do any of these possibilities lead to a true correlation between Sharia and another factor? WHAT would you have to show to demonstrate a stronger correlation to people who are willing to listen, hence really getting into verifying facts and transferring useful info?

    I hate to embarrass you given that your missionary work heavily consists of communicating things to people with different beliefs, cultures, languages, circumstances. But then it all makes sense, because from your posts you seem to do your work in places where there is little access to information with which to refute your claims. How unfortunate that missionaries which adhere to a high standard of ethics and excel at communicating/debating opinions have to share a label with you. How incredibly scary that you visit the more vulnerable members of the planet and take these messages with you.

    G'day mate.
     
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    In his hometown of Australia, they have been targeting brown people for quite a while.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Indians_in_Australia_controversy
     
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    rack off, you drongo.
     
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    It's true that at the core of this is a small minority of extremists.

    The problem, however, is something Mathloom himself posted (more than once, I think).

    So I think that people who say "hey, it's just a minority of people" are underestimating the problem here. I can observe a radicalization of Muslims in various places. If you re-read what Mathloom posted above, it really is a problem. Of course, some leftists (and Mathloom) will blame the USA as the root cause of all evil (because they buy their oil, etc.), but to me, the question is how to stop that ideology - once it's out there, and pushed with a lot of money to 1 billion potential targets who read those 90 % of translations (and other propaganda efforts by the Wahhabis with the money)...not good.

    Of course, having read these interesting comments by Mathloom, then finding this post makes me scratch my head:


     
  19. LosPollosHermanos

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    This sort of medical condition falls under extreme paranoia or even schizophrenia. I don't think I'll be surprised if Izaka rises up to a leader of a cult that eradicates muslims off the face of the earth.
     
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    The apologists make me want to kill all the muslims in the world too. I'm on your side Izaka.
     

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