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Another terrible jobs number

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Sep 7, 2012.

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  1. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    Haha. Debate etiquette fail. Please provide a link to reputable organizations if they support your views.

    I'm just being devil's advocate, but it seems ticky tacky trying to decide which jobs were created due to same-time policies or if they could have been residual from an earlier policy. Economics is all about lags, after all. I'm assuming this was accounted for. Honestly I would even be interested in hearing a case by case presentation of which presidents created most jobs and why. Seems like it would be useful information for all of us. God knows we need to get real regardless of who is in the White House and forget about this moral tug of war at the expense of reality.
     
  2. HR Dept

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    You're just a great big bag of irony, you are!
     
  3. thadeus

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    They don't support my views. I'm not a Democrat. They say that Clinton is telling the truth.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...linton-says-democratic-presidents-top-republ/

    http://factcheck.org/2012/09/our-clinton-nightmare/

     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    ROFL at the unintentional irony yet AGAIN!
     
  5. dandorotik

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    Unemployment rates don't consider those that have given up and are permanantly unemployed- yes, and that applies to every President.

    So, for example, if Real Unemployment now is 16.2% instead of 8.1%, that means that it was ~20% when the UE was 10%. Understand? The criteria for comparison- and yes, let's face it, we use norm referencing as opposed to criteria referencing when analyzing Presidents, is the same for each.

    Turned around? UE went from 8.3% to 10%. Then, it went down to where it is now at 8.1%. That's called a turnaround.

    Here's the dictionary definition in case you are interested:

    "The act or an instance of turning about and facing or moving in the opposite direction; a reversal."

    Now, if you want to say that Obama himself caused the UE to jump from 8.3% to 10% in his first 8 months, fine. It's still a fact that he has had more months of UE decrease than increases.

    If the President's job is to help reduce the UE, he has done it in more months than not, and the official UE rate used as a measuring tool for economic health is now lower than when he started. It rose under GW1, W1, W2, and RR1. It decreased under RR2, BC1, BC2, and BO1. That's improvement. Matter of fact, that's the 4th best in the past 32 years- and I believe, considering it went up under Carter and Ford, that it's the 4th best since 1974. If you think it should have been better, so be it.

    But facts are stubborn things.
     
  6. roxstarz

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    The jobs numbers wouldn't be so low if the republicans would work with the president in trying to pass the American jobs act. Instead, their number one objective is to remove Obama from office. Republicans truly are just a bunch of clowns.

    If people were smart they would take all the republicans out of the house and senate. To bad that won't happen.
     
  7. edwardc

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    amen to that
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    Oblamer alert!

    Obama needs to learn to work across the aisle.

    he can't do that from the golf course...
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    So you agree we shouldn't elect Romney/Ryan?
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Newsflash.

    This tactic isn't working. Obama is going to win and republicans will have to stop stonewalling and get something done.
     
  11. roxstarz

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    So many things come to mind whenever I see your posts. First, are you serious or just trolling? I find it to be the latter. Second, Oblamer???? Is that suppose to be an insult or just being an Idiot? Third, I'm almost positive that Bush had more vacations than Obama. Fourth, how can you work with someone who's number one priority is to take you out of office then to help the American people.

    Welcome to my Ignore list along with the other Republican Crazies. (TJ, Basso)
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    he is just a troll. don't take him seriously. just make fun of him.
     
  13. roxstarz

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    I figured he was but wasn't positive. Hard to tell sometimes because the crazies believe what they are saying is true.
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    yes, they are either crazy, a troll, or totally brainwashed droids. But at the end of the day, does it really matter?

    Point is they are in outer space in some way or another.
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    i love it

    you've been reduced to following me around and hurling insults

    I completely dominate you

    ...and let me remind you, when you have to resort to insults, you've lost any argument among adults.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    List of recently posted insults from Bigtexxx:


    I agree, you have lost any argument as an adult. Oh, and by the way, I just showed you what real domination is. :) I hope your butt isn't hurting too much.
     
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  17. bigtexxx

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    remember public figures are exempt, and they're not on here arguing with me

    pwn3d
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Most of those insults you threw out are to people on this board, but I mixed it up to show that no one is spared your hypocrisy.

    Look man, you don't bother me. You have to bring a better game than that to push my buttons. Keep trying. It's doable, but you haven't come close.

    But let me be honest with you here. Really honest. You are a joke. Your ability to debate doesn't exist. I am sure you are capable of thinking rationally, but when it comes to politics, you are a vegetable. A sad specimen of everything that is wrong with this country and the worst of your party. You give Republicans a bad name - you actually are the guy that makes some Republicans call themselves independents. Your conservative thinking peers are embarrassed by you and your kind. You shame them.

    And yet you do not realize this. That is both the comedy and tragedy of you and Basso, TJ, Commodore, Esteban, and others. You do not persuade anyone. All you do is instigate and torture the liberals on the other side who feel compelled to respond and make neutral people think you are crazy or just trolling. Sure it's fun in a pathetic small way.

    I just to get my kicks that way when there wasn't much Rockets ball to discuss too, and not take people here seriously because of the crap posted here. Rocketsjudoka convinced me to come back and be genuine (I respect that cat). But it's too hard to have an honest conversation with you fools side-tracking every thread with the garbage sound bites and inane banter. So now, I am going to get my kicks punishing you fools because someone has to take out the trash. Someone who can handle you because these fools can't ignore you so you will just go away. So when I have time, I'm going to pummel you until you leave and get off this board because you contribute absolutely zero value to the conversation and discussion. I think you actually make people stupider.
     
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  19. bigtexxx

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    lol I don't bother you? I completely dominate and own you -- you have been reduced to following me around to try to snipe.

    And you've never once pummeled me. You just hurl insults and lose.
     
  20. Tom Bombadillo

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    The name calling is rather immature. Wouldn't you say?

    Save it for Jazz fans and people from Dallas.
     

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