Mathloom: here are statistics from the Israeli center for human rights. ATW: More non-sensical Israel hate by Mathloom. Pretty much says it all.
No mate, I could finish it. But your posts leap from one argument to another, and include random Christian bashing without answering the questions put to you. I stopped playing dodgeball in primary school. ...and I just came back from Alice Springs, where I did some missionary work amongst the indigenous Aboriginal people in the outback. I do have a pretty good grasp on what the British did to the Indigenous people all the way upto the 1980's. Thank you.
You turned a question about why people dislike Israel into one where you focused, on an anecdotal basis, on the Koran fostering hatred for Jews. The Bible holds equally heinous references to certain peoples, and it is perhaps on this basis that early Christians and middle age Christians could easily, as Muslims have done, not tolerated certain classes of people. Now you throw an off-hand reference to Australia's indigenous people (a personal one too). I think the reason why we're changing arguments is because you keep on shifting the parameters---not like I care in any case. Funny how the tables turn though. I'm Christian bashing all of a sudden. heh. What are you?
Even for you, boldly lying and saying that the following rant, which I responded to, is "statistics from the Israeli center for human rights", is quite delusional.
I wasn't trying to attack you Mathloom, but the statements of " Muslim By Law", " Raped By Western Imperialism".... those type of statements rub people the wrong way. Don't get your panties in a bunch when people call you out on it. Either take it like a man, or explain instead of rambling what you actually feel, so non-muslims can take you seriously instead of thinking you are talking out the side of your mouth while taking jabs at western society that you obviously hate.
No I do not. I think it's horrible and all support for Isreal should be stopped in the form of Aid and Weapons since for A: they have proven time and time again to be more racist than any one I have ever seen, and for B: they can not stop fighting with their neighbors The bible I know and love has taught me... " Love Thy Neighbor". they don't. Now to beat this argument down. Africa is a CONTINENT, Isreal and Palestine are very very very very very very small compared to this Continent. The problems with Muslims killing people over regions is a very very very very very very very serious problem. They have displaced Millions Upon Millions, Killed Millions, and Made Milions Upon Millions SUFFER.... IN OUR PRESENT LIFE TIME. It's an very big issue on that CONTINENT. It's not something that just happens a few places in Africa, every 30 years. It's been on going every day for the past 30 YEARS. If you want to compare what Isreal has done, to what is happening in Africa, you are a damn fool. 1999 had SIX MILLION REFUGEES THAT HAD THEIR LIVES DESTROYED BY ISLAMIC CONTROL. That is just for one year....WAKE THE F*** UP!
And Cometswin... you are wrong about protect the Saudi monarchy that spreads this jihad BS. It's China supplying all the weapons in these regions to protect their interest abroad. Their support for Islamic Terrorist has cost millions of lives and ruined millions of lives. It's not Saudi's backing these people up, it's China hiring these goons to do their dirty work to keep chaos going so they can feed their energy needs.
Maybe if we just let ATW, Izaka, and ILuvDaRockets discuss this amongst themselves undisturbed they can solve this Middle Eastern problem once and for all. Stop interfering and let these guys brainstorm.
I don't believe anyone prevents UN involvement in Africa to stop genocide and civil war in the way that the US blocks action in Palestine. That's a significant difference. But let's be completely honest, the area in the Middle East is much more impactful to the economic health of the world than what happens in Africa and that's why it gets more of our attention.
Honestly I think what some of you don't understand is that this isn't a battle between Christianity and Islam as much it is a battle between crazy Islam and Islam. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to observers, such as Gilles Kepel, Wahhabism gained considerable influence in the Islamic World following a tripling in the price of oil in the mid-1970s and the progressive takeover of Saudi Aramco in the 1974–1980 period. The Saudi government began to spend tens of billions of dollars throughout the Islamic World to promote Wahhabism, which was sometimes referred to as "petro-Islam".[63] According to the documentary called The Qur'an aired in the UK, presenter Antony Thomas suggested the figure may be "upward of $100 billion".[64] Its largess funded an estimated "90% of the expenses of the entire faith", throughout the Muslim World, according to journalist Dawood al-Shirian.[65] It extended to young and old, from children's madrasas to high-level scholarship.[66] "Books, scholarships, fellowships, mosques" (for example, "more than 1,500 mosques were built from Saudi public funds over the last 50 years") were paid for.[67] It rewarded journalists and academics, who followed it and built satellite campuses around Egypt for Al Azhar, the oldest and most influential Islamic university.[68] This financial power has done much to overwhelm less strict local interpretations of Islam, according to observers like Dawood al-Shirian and Lee Kuan Yew,[65] and has caused the Saudi interpretation to be perceived as the correct interpretation in many Muslims' minds.[69] The Saudis have spent at least $87 billion propagating Wahhabism abroad during the past two decades, and the scale of financing is believed to have increased in the past two years. The bulk of this funding goes towards the construction and operating expenses of mosques, madrasas, and other religious institutions that preach Wahhabism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi Wahhabi Islam counts among its adherents such names as Osama Bin Laden and Saudi Prince Nayef (Cline; Haykel; Smith; Hardy). Various groups such as Al-Qaeda, Pakistan’s Jamaat-I Islami, The Islamic Salvation Front, and al-Jihad have also adopted Wahhabism as their official religion (Ahmed; Cline; Haykel; Smith; Hardy). The extremist religion offers many a theological justification and mandate to kill those they deem to be infidels. One should note that according to Wahhabism, the vast majority of Muslims (over 99%) are also to be considered “infidels, heathens, and enemies” (Haykel; Smith; Lopez). Wahhabists have made their presence known worldwide. From the beheading of Daniel Pearl in Pakistan to the beheading of countless Russian soldiers in Chechnya, from the beheading of Nick Berg in Iraq to the beheading of Paul Johnson in Saudi Arabia 2 days ago, Wahhabists have shown a willingness to use television and the internet to display their gruesome acts of barbarism. To truly understand those that we must fight in this battle against terrorism, one must learn more about Wahhabi Islam and it’s extremist teachings. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173310/posts
I would agree with that, but the problem is that crazy Islam is like a cancer (a tumor) - it feeds off Islam (the body) and it might even disguise itself for a long time as benign. I am calling for Islam to fight crazy Islam, but the problem is that many Muslims would still say they are closer to crazy Islam than to anyone else because "at least we are all Muslims". That's a fact, unfortunately, and what makes this so tricky.
Oh wow! You know how to use google! Give the man hookah with some apple flavoured tobacco! :grin: In fact I do know the original tribal name, and spent time trying to learn Arrernte to communicate better with some of the indigenous people. We learn Aboriginal culture in Australian schools, but for the sake of people in Internet land I called it by the western name...Alice Springs. BTW...it was absolutely beautiful out there.
This thread is an example of why I hate religion. Religion X sucks, Religion Y is better. Religion Y sucks, Religion Z is better. Religion Z sucks, Religion X is better. At the end of the day religion is a crowd control device used to justify the impossible to a flock of mindless sheep.
I understand that much, but at the same time, the influence China plays is much more troublesome, than Saudi's trying to promote Wahhabism. Your right it's not a battle between Christianity and Islam, but Christians that have nothing to do with any thing are brutally slaughtered in these regions because they are Christian, and that fact should not be overlooked. And the real reason Christianity is low in these regions because most of the time... they are killed off to get the figures that low. I don't know if you were directing that at me, but I do understand that part of the situation.
Yep - that one was a typical example of Mathloom googling something and then pretending it was something he knew, just a more transparent one. Or is he now trying to tell us he speaks ... well, whatever the language of the Aborigines is called - I am not googling it.
The only cancer on this board is you my friend. Perpetuating stereotyping and hate for a billion people. I am surprised that you can do this on a board made possible by a Muslim, the great Hakeem The Dream. I wonder what he'd think if he read some of your posts. He'd probably puke.
