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VY, the GREAT

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by thegary, Dec 1, 2006.

  1. Rocketman95

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    I'm sure VY, who won ROY and a national championship at UT earning him a spot as one of the true heroes of one of the most celebrated college football team of all-times, despite his recent struggles both professionally and financially, would LOL at internet message board posters feeling sorry for him.

    Some of you take yourselves way too seriously.
     
  2. Rocketman95

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    So VY didn't win the ROY? :confused:
     
  3. Air Langhi

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    Am I saying he is going to be a good NFL qb or even an NFL qb at this point. I don't know why I even argue with people who can't read or understand context or are 15 years old.
     
  4. Rocketman95

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    There's a lot of that going around today.
     
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  6. moestavern19

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    I bought into the VY hype myself, he was the most dominant college football player I'd seen in a long time. He was electric on the field. He seemed like some unholy combination of Steve McNair and Michael Vick.

    I really thought he would be a big success in the NFL, despite his poor mechanics. I think deep down Vince was always a sensitive guy and just couldn't handle the criticisms of his game that came at the pro level.

    Some of that probably had to do with Fisher refusing to handle him with kid gloves, some of it was the fans turning on him, he was so glorified in the state of Texas his whole career, and that sense of entitlement ultimately made him think he could get by at the next level on his incredible talent alone.

    Nevertheless, despite his NFL failure I don't think anyone who watched him play college ball could tell you with a straight face that he wasn't one of the all-time College greats. He was that good at that level, and he'll always be a legend in Texas.
     
  7. arkoe

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    That baby may hate VY. But it's a baby. Babies are tiny. And irrational.
     
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    You are assuming he would understand the argument. (too soon?)
     
  10. Raven

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    You need to calm down. You point isn't more valid just because you use super sized text.
     
  11. Sydeffect

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    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jICPrvZLKAE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Still remember it like it was yesterday
     
  12. arkoe

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    Validity wasn't the point in enlarging the text for the post.
     
  13. Brando2101

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    yea he was just trying to be obnoxious.
     
  14. Rocketman95

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    I'm still amazed at all these UT haters who were going to be VY fans, if only other fans of VY hadn't have loved him so much.
     
  15. mateo

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    Up here in Canada, Vince is getting some press....Montreal has first dibs on VY. Does he like Poutine?

    http://journalmetro.com/sports/147064/vince-young-futur-quart-des-alouettes/

    Translated (as well as I could):

    General manager Jim Popp has managed another coup. But basically what the addition of former NFL quarterback Young in his negotiation list mean?

    1. The chances of seeing Vince Young in Montreal uniform are thin, very thin.....
    With (40 year old) starting QB Anthony Calvillo and the progression of his eternal substitute Adrian McPherson, Montreal is probably the least welcoming destination for Young, a player who wants to see action as soon as possible. One that has just been released by the Buffalo Bills would never, ever, desire the role of second fiddle in the CFL.

    Would Young should show interest in playing in Canada, where he could make an instant impact? It is unlikely. After all, a former third overall pick in the NFL does not so easily shrug off his dream of winning a Superbowl.

    Another downside is the turbulent past of the former quarterback of the Tennessee Titans. It must not be forgotten that Young had lost his job in part because of his antics off the field. Is this the kind of player that head coach Marc Trestman really want to have in your team?

    2 ... but they exist anyway.
    It remains that Young has a style well suited to the Canadian Football League. The former third overall pick of the 2006 NFL has the mobility and ability to initiate plays which might turn into big yards north of the 49th parallel.

    3. Jim Popp is a genius.
    By adding Vince Young to its list of negotiations, DG Alouettes have just blocked some of its rivals who may soon be in an urgent need to repatriate the services of an experienced quarterback. Take, for example, the Edmonton Eskimos or the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, for whom the starting position of the QB is a recurring debate.
     
  16. mateo

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    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Calvillo+still+clicking+with+career/7170223/story.html

    Alouettes' Anthony Calvillo still clicking with career clock ticking

    Forty-year-old quarterback leads by example, on and off the field

    By Mike Beamish, Vancouver Sun August 30, 2012


    MONTREAL — He has coached Bernie Kosar, Steve Young and Rich Gannon in the NFL and prepared collegians Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Jimmy Clausen, Brandon Weeden and Tim Tebow for the NFL combine.

    Quarterback study is Marc Trestman’s speciality. And so, when the coach of the Montreal Alouettes was asked how soon Vince Young will be joining his team to replace his 40-year-old signal-caller, he takes a long, thoughtful pause.

    “Are there any other questions?”

    Anthony Calvillo’s replacement is not a subject he wishes to discuss, perhaps because he doesn’t see Young — the unemployed former Texas Longhorn/NFL quarterback who is on the Alouettes’ negotiation list — as a good fit. Or, maybe, out of respect to backup quarterback Adrian McPherson, Trestman doesn’t want to express interest in a player who might usurp the former’s position.

    Most likely, it’s because Calvillo shows no sign of needing to be replaced any time soon.


    Thirty-eight, as Trestman knows from his time there, is an age when most NFL quarterbacks start to show their years and telltale signs of deterioration.

    Calvillo, who turned 40 on Aug. 23, appears to be expanding those age-related boundaries beyond the norm.

    “I don’t know what the stats are, but I’d say he’s playing as good as he has in the past five years,” Trestman said Thursday. “Arguably, better, in some ways. I don’t have any defining or empirical evidence. I just feel that way. He’s using more of the field in throwing the football. He’s moving the ball around more, the deep ball ... doing some things we haven’t done in previous years. He’s still making quick decisions. He’s still running at the right time. If he’s not playing better, then he’s playing as well. I haven’t seen any diminishment in his play.”

    Pro football’s all-time leading passer goes into Friday’s game against the visiting B.C. Lions in search of another milestone — a record eight games in a row in which he has passed for at least 300 yards. Only Calvillo and Doug Flutie, who did it with the Lions in 1991, have reached seven, 300-yard games in a row before.

    “For us, we’ve got to maximize every opportunity we get in the red zone,” Calvillo said. “We need to score touchdowns against these guys [Lions]. We’re well aware they’re tough to score against [Lions have given up one touchdown in the past four games]. They’re just taking teams out when they get close to the goal-line.”

    In their last meeting, at BC Place on Oct. 29 last year, the Lions pounded the Alouettes 43-1 and Cavillo was sacked four times. It was nothing like the memorable game in 2006, when the Lions over-ran a discombobulated Montreal O-line and recorded a team-record 12 sacks. But quarterback pressure is always Job One for B.C.’s defence against Calvillo.

    “When you try to minimize what A.C. does, there’s some stuff there you can look at,” said Lions head coach Mike Benevides. But that game [2006] was lightning in a bottle. They had some issues, and we had a little [defensive] tweak which we effectively used. But that’s never happened again. It’s tough to do that.”

    It would take a few games of being cuffed around for Calvillo to contemplate the prospect of retirement again, but it wasn’t that many months ago when it was a very real possibility. After being named runner-up to Lions’ quarterback Travis Lulay as the CFL’s most outstanding player at the 2011 Grey Cup awards gala, Calvillo said he would wait a while before committing to a 19th season.

    “My mindset, at the end of last year, was a bit different,” Calvillo admitted. “We had just lost four consecutive games. We were very average. That Eastern semifinal loss [52-44 to Hamilton] played a big role, whether I was going to come back or not. I felt I just wasn’t playing up to my potential. I was in a totally different mindset. ‘Maybe, I can’t do this anymore.’ But once I evaluated everything, and I saw that it just wasn’t me — we were all to blame — then I said, ‘Okay, I’m going to come back and give us a chance again.’ But you know how it goes: If I’m playing great, people are going to say I can play forever. If I’m struggling, people are going to say I should retire. So I’m going to take everything I hear with a grain of salt.”

    What makes Calvillo such a captivating spectacle at 40 is not necessarily the many accomplishments he’s achieved on the football field, but his humanity, his depth, his genuineness and the personal and family issues he’s had to deal with which resonate with ordinary people. Cancer scares, for both Calvillo and his wife, Alexi, and the death of his stepdad, two days before leading the Alouettes to a come-from-behind win over the Tiger-Cats on Aug. 23, are life issues which reveal his character more than his ability to withstand a safety blitz.

    “He’s been able to overcome a lot, no doubt about it,” Trestman said. “Around here, we’ve always said, ‘He’s the guy we want to be like.’ And it’s all true. In every way, as a person, and a player, he’s hopefully teaching youngsters how to do things the right way, so they can have long and extended careers. [But] he’s teaching all of us more than that. It’s how to deal with the day-to-day successes and failures in life.”
     
  17. likestohypeguy

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    ^hell no, this isn't the 1980's anymore. NO qb with a 31-19 record as a starter in the nfl should have to finish his career in canada. Whether you call it blackballing or not, I just find it curious that there are coaches in the NFL capable of adapting their system to Tim Tebow & making him successful, yet the same can't be done for VY? "Players make plays. Coaches make decisions that put players in position to make plays."

    Amazing that's all it takes to incite hate in them. Why they let others' thoughts control their own is beyond me.
     
  18. Brando2101

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    Tebow is a really nice guy and would never create a problem. I'm sure coaches like and respect Jeff Fisher. If Vince would slam Fisher and throw his pads and jersey into the stands after a game, why wouldn't VY do the same to any of them?

    That being said, he still got shots last year with the Eagles and the Bills this year.

    Maybe he should reach out to Fisher and apologize.
     
  19. likestohypeguy

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    oh i have no doubt that's exactly who's behind this. I just don't know that an apology will accomplish anything at this point. I mean J.F. put his petty vindictiveness above the fans, his boss' directives, & his own team's success.
     
  20. Pistol Pete

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    I doubt Fisher was behind Young playing like crap in Buffalo and Philly.
     
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