China agrees with it since they are the ones supplying weapons and aid to terrorist in these regions to protect their oil interest. Apparently Muslims do agree with it, or else they wouldn't get support from Muslim governments to do this in these regions that are diverse in population and religions. Nor would they form small armies to devastate these regions. I just for once would love to see a Muslim government these terrorist look up to stand up and condemn these actions. You and I will never see that happen, or else Muslims wouldn't keep doing this. Enough is Enough in Africa, and it starts with kicking oppressive extremist ASS.
ATW, Mathloom and Izakadavid are the only names I read when I see these threads. The rest of us don't give a ****.
Come on man, read my posts. My opinion about these things is crystal clear, why would you hold me to this exceptional standard? I am 100% anti war and anti violence in every case regardless of religion, race, geography, etc. Even in the case of what other people would consider justifiable revenge. 100%, all day, everyday, unless it is to prevent even more known and imminent war or violence.
Well, when you claim to be a Muslim " By Law"... I personally feel the need to question your statements. As I would if someone from North Korea was like..." Noooo our government Good"
Which is why you found it just fine that a cartoonist was threatened with death over his cartoons and even admitted to feeling happy about that. Anti violence my ass.
So, instead of trying to separate these religions nuts from your faith.. you just say, " oh if you don't understand I can't help you". Is that because you actually support this behavior, or you just can't find the words and formulate them into a simple example to show non-Muslims the difference between these guys and people who just hold Islam as a faith in the heart to help better their family and own life? Do you even know how repugnant it is to hear someone say, " I'm Muslim By Law". Just like it's repugnant to see people brutally killed because " it's the law, and they aren't Muslim". It's 2012... that's the best Islam can come up with?
Really? Because it seems like you were trying to justify or rationalize these extremist Muslim movements in your previous posts... Not to mention its absolutely appalling that you are content with being a Muslim "by law" rather than from free will.
vast majority? Looking at the people group stats, most of Mali's population is Islamic. Why are including Christianity in this vast majority? Link
From a year ago, but here's an article of interest: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/09/sahara-tuareg/gwin-text I am *not* required by law to post this.
Because there is a 5% Christian minority who will probably be targetted, as they (unfortunately) always are by Islamic extremists.
I am anti war and anti violence AAAAAAAAAAAAAALWAYS, so since the Malians are engaging in both war and violence, I am against it. You have to be an idiot or a propogandist to read my statements calling them terrorists and grieving for the victims and come up with "you seemed to be condoning these actions". I am rejecting the sick propoganda spewed by ATW which focuses on the least likely harm to London/Paris/Wherever, ignores the already being persecuted victims IN Mali, and implication that these terrorists have taken over a good situation and turned it into a bad one just because of the Quran. Get over your fetish for seeing Muslims/Arabs condemning violence and war more strongly than anyone else. This is the last time I'm going to play along with your paranoia about this. I don't give more of a **** or feel a higher sense of responsibility if someone who nominally shares the same arbitrary trait (race) or self-assigned label (religion) does something wrong. Based on my beliefs, I share more with moderate religious people than I do with extremist Muslims. Extremist Christians or Jews or hindus share more with Extremist Muslims than I do. At this point, probably the only belief I completely share with them is that there is a creator. I feel the same way about these acts as you do. You may feel a higher sense of responsibility when an American does something wrong, but I don't expect you to unless you could have stopped it or you contributed to it. So if you vote for a war criminal, you bet your ass that's partially on you. But if an American on the BBS acts like a moron, I don't blame you for that. Victims: Malians Reason: socio-political Propoganda tool: Islam Criminals: Malian terrorists I don't sit here and tell you that Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded in the name of Christianity, even if G Bush said God told him to do it, and he bypassed the requirement that he attain congressional approval (essentially ignoring Americans) and he ignored intelligence advice. Because I know which part of what happened is propaganda to sheepen the masses, and I know what the real reasons are. Also, grow the F up and start understanding what I can and can't say for reasons that are completely out of my control.
Not that I have the time or the desire to examine every single post of yours with a fine tooth comb, I understand where your coming from. I know you're not a terrorist loving anti-American anti-freedom Muslim shouting "LALALALALA DEATH TO INFIDELS" the way some would try and portray you to be.
Mathloom, this quote is the reason why I have a heart for the Muslim people, but I am totally against the Islamic doctrine that demands submission and obligated devotion. Those of us who are in the free world have little or no understanding of what it is like to live in the Middle East under an Islamic theocracy / Sharia. Imagine how hard it would be to not be able to express your true opinion because you know the consequences if you do. Contrary to popular opinion, I quite like you and enjoy our little Internet sparring sessions. I do wish however that you had a freedom of choice when it comes to your faith, and your devotion to God was of free will, not because it is the law. I wish that you were able to freely speak your mind, without fear of retribution. I also wish that you were able to freely question and critique certain aspects of Islamic doctrine without looking over your shoulder. I wish this for all Muslims, especially those that are living in your neck of the woods. Yes, I have had distant relatives & the family of friends murdered in church services by Islamic terrorists, in the name of Allah. Yes, I have had family killed and others brutalised in war, by Islamic fundamentalists. (Iran vs Iraq) Yes, I have had the family of close friends kidnapped and held for ransom, (and still missing) by Islamic terrorists in the name of Allah. After all this, I still don't hate muslim people. How could I hate people that have been taught, and indoctrinated with a doctrine that promotes violence against me and my people, and how could i hate someone who, unfortunatley, knows no better, thanks to this religious indoctrination? And just like you my friend, most of these people have no choice but to follow and obey, or face the consequences that are required under Islamic law. Jesus said as he was being crucified, 'Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.' Since I became a Christian, I too have learnt to forgive. I have also learnt to pray for people trapped in religious oppression, and have dedicated a great deal of my time and finances to helping free people from their bondage. I hope you can now see why I hate Islam, but have a great deal of compassion towards Muslims. I also hope that one day, you too can be free.
Nobody, including myself said (or thinks, I believe) that you are condoning these actions. Just because you keep repeating this lie it still isn't true. I have already re-posted my initial post - where does that "focus on the least likely harm to London/Paris/Wherever" and "ignore the already persecuted victims IN Mali"? You keep repeating this - as a true propagandist you think a lie will stick if you just repeat it often enough. What a lame excuse. So it's fine to spread anti-USA and anti-Israel propaganda because you know that that won't get you in trouble, but you can excuse all the crap you post with "I don't really have free speech here".
I'm not trying to attack you. Do you condemn Iraelis using Zionism to dominate Palestine? Do you feel it is right for Isrealis to brutally kill Palestinians in Palestine because they do not agree with Israelis about occupied land, while at the same time trying to provide aid, support, and efforts to rebuild their homeland while Israelis are preventing their every move with brutal force, while dishing out oppression? It's interesting how some of you focus on what you want to see. I doubt most of you could even find Mali on a map but I'm pretty sure you all know where Paletine is and strangely enough the US is complicit in both cases. We fund the Israeli war machine and we protect the Saudi monarchy that spreads all of this jihadi BS.
ALL of us focus on what we want to see, you included. I wonder what would happen if the Saudi monarchy was toppled - would the jihadi BS stop? Or is the jihadi BS there anyway and the Saudi monarchy is actually sort of the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the US government? I don't know.
