1. If by "lost coverage" you mean "will gain coverage they did not have before" then yes, that is projected to be true. 2. If you're arguing that medicare is mandatory beyond a certain age, you'll have to argue with past politicians about that, because it's been standard practice for quite a while, and has nothing to do with Obama-care. 3. Your only other option is that you're regurgitating a lie from a fringe party or fringe website of that party. If I have missed an option, please provide some evidence. TIA.
I mean millions of employers have already stated they are dropping their currently offered coverage due to Obamacare. Therefore their employees can't keep the plan they once had. Their employers no longer offer it due to the bill. Here's a simpler yet different way to know Obama lied: If you mandate everyone must have health insurance then you must define health insurance. This is done by defining minimum coverage (like governments do with auto insurance). How can Obama promise my and everyone else's current plan meets his minimum requirements? He can't. Therefore, he was obviously lying. Basically, even if you are happy with your current insurance, you will have to switch to a plan Obama considers to have 'acceptable coverage'. How can he then claim 'If you like your plan, you can keep it'?
The "if you like your plan you can keep it" line was most definitely a lie. It can't be construed any other way when the healthcare reform law includes a provision that limits out of pocket expenses to certain dollar amounts that are lower than many plans that were in place. Companies who offer employees insurance plans with a $3000 deductible will not be able to keep their plan.
What's this about? http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/ "On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. "
Yikes! Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words 1. Dazzling 2. Deceiving 3. Distracting "We Will Not 'Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers" - Romney pollster Neil Newhouse
It's a liberal activist who writes an opinion piece for Fox News. Some of her points are on target though. The one that isn't is the one that other outlets have been bashing Ryan for since his speech. The Jamesville auto plant. Ryan did not lie in his speech about that plant. Edit: One of her other articles claims that when Republicans say "We did built that" they are actually being racist and are attacking black people on welfare. LOL
Thank you for that. So the "if you like your plan you can keep it" is not absolute, and I did not know that. He should say "if you like your plan and it doesn't have a high deductible, you can keep it." Not a good soundbite though. Also, will check that number myself, as $3k doesn't seem that high, on the one hand, though it would wreck many American budgets of course, and any real medical issue will immediately cost $3k and more.
You didn't know that because I don't think it's actually true. I can't find anything saying that a crappy $3000 high deductible plan is now illegal. The Kaiser foundation doesn't mention it in this article from a few months back, and you'd think that would be a pertinent thing to mention if you're writing an article that says "high deductible plans are here to stay"... edit: Here's a Rand corporation survey saying they're the wave of the future. justxyank, what is your source?
I'll pull the information and get it to you guys shortly. Give me a little bit of a time because I have to do a quick CE course. I'm not disappearing!
I don't understand how blatant lies are now somehow the most used political tool in the election process. You'd think making yourself a liar would lose you an election. Disinformation has become just a little too easy.
It's sad and kind of strange. You would think with all the new and different media outlets it would be harder to lie- but it's made it easier.
Here's one article. You can find a brief snippet on pg3. http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/resources/pdf/ImpactOnCDHPs.pdf Many small employers, particularly here in Houston, offer plans like a $2500 100% plan or a $3000 100% plan. These plans have great copays for office visits and pharmacy. They have a high deductible but have 100% coverage after the deductible instead of 80% or 70%. These plans will not be available anymore. Many employers other small employers simply can't afford to offer deductibles of $2000 or less. One thing many employers do is offer a high deductible plan that they pay with the option to buy-up to a lower deductible plan. This will no longer be available either.
The problem is you have a group of people who can be confronted with facts in black and white and they'll still reject them. The GOP knows this and uses it to their advantage.
Not at all - because it's proven that people like media outlets that support their own viewpoints instead of relatively objective truth. So yes, more media outlets will call out the lies - but others will simply repeat them. And viewers will follow the ones that report what they are predisposed to wanting to believe (liberals drift to MSNBC, conservatives drift to FOX, etc).
Hence the reason Democrats need to be more visceral in their attacks. Stop being so nerdy with facts and start to punch the emotions. That’s what republicans are good at.
