Of the 4 guys, you can only trade for 2 to be a Rocket...

If we pay what Hardern is probably going to require, we'll forever be known as Houston, the place where above average players get overpaid.

 

Above average young & relatively young players who haven't reached there full potential. I would rather overpay that kind of player as opposed to an above average player who has already peaked.

 

I didn't see him play in the outgoing season. Was his defense respectable?

 

James Harden is not that good and will never be worth a max contract.

 

His defense isn't very good. Lol. Here is a link for more insight.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1169929

Wow. I respectfully disagree.

 

Based on some of your comments I'm pretty convinced you didn't want Dwight....

Also please explain to me how bringing in Curry, James Harden, Grainger, and J.Smith, won't make any difference? I know this is all more hypothetical than anything at this point, but that would be a substantial upgrade at all 4 of those positions...how does that....nvm I'm not going to waste anymore time on this. If you love the rookies then great, but please stop lying to yourself and everyone on this board by saying we have no use for good solid All-Star players because we have "these rookies"

 

Finally out of bed?. First, the question was Which one of these players would we want to trade for. Not all of them. Harden, although a good 3rd option player, can not lead a team anywhere. If Harden was that good, OKC would have won something by now. Same with Josh Smith. Granger is a less than 45% fg shooting, yet he keeps jacking up shots. If the wind blows too hard one day, Curry will break a leg and be out for the season. None of these guys are worth the gamble. The point of rebuilding a young team is to play the young players.

 

No I've been out of bed for quite some time now....I'm actually at work (not coaching btw:grin so I had to do some work this morning before I could get on Clutchfans and start my 2nd job which is trying to understand some of the silly posts that Coach Badlee makes....

Despite all of the bad things you're saying about these players (very objective might I add) they would all still be substantial upgrades over the people on the roster currently. You say we don't need these guys because we should go young and let the young guys develop....well as of right now our starting lineup's average age is 25 years old, if we brought in all of these "old guys" our starting lineup would skyrocket to 25.6 years old. So please explain to me how a player can have so much potential at 25 years old yet at 25.6 they have become old and they won't ever get any better than they are now???

And my final point, is that last year was James Harden's 3rd year in the NBA as the 3rd fiddle, and per 36 minutes he averaged:

19.3 ppg/4.2apg/1.1spg/49%fg%

Kobe Bryant's 3rd year in the NBA as the 2nd Fiddle, and per 36 minutes he averaged:

18.9ppg/3.6apg/1.4spg/47%fg%

I guess Kobe had no more room to grow as well....

 

He is better than any player on this team including Kmart and Lin.

 

By young guys, i mean rookies. Also, i never said he wouldn't get better. I just said he(Harden)will not be a superstar. All-star, yes.
Look, i know you aren't crazy about the rooks, but you should be. Once they get their "NBA legs" under them, you can at least expect one of Lamb and Donatas to have those types of averages(19.3 ppg/4.2apg/1.1spg/49%fg%, /18.9ppg/3.6apg/1.4spg/47%fg%).
Your problem is you keep looking at them as individuals. I see them as a team. A team that showed chemistry in a short period of time playing together. Yeah, it was just summer league, but it was also something to build on. Now, instead of dogging them out, think of it this way. What will happen if all of the rookies panned out the way they did in summer league? Because it is definitely possible that they can and in a short period of time.

 

There's no such thing as panning out in the summer league....ha ha, but in all honesty I think Jeremy Lamb and Terrance Jones can end up one day being the steals of the draft, BUT I'm not ready to annoint any of these rookie as unreplaceable NBA players yet. I do think that they will grow, and obviously get better but I'm just not as high on Royce White as a lot of other people on this board are.

I think he can end up being a solid role player but I just don't know if he has a true position in the NBA yet, also with D-Mo I think he needs to get stronger and work on his NBA fundamentals (which I'm sure he will). But Jeremy Lamb and Terrance Jones although they are only rookies, I think are extremely close to being true NBA contributors.

I was a huge fan of Jeremy Lamb coming out of High School, so him being a Rocket now is icing on the cake. Despite all of the pariase I have and have heard for these rookies, I still like what James Harden has to offer more (AS OF RIGHT NOW).

 

That's not saying much

 

Man, Clutchfans is like those old time one-room country schoolhouses where they had Kindergarten - 12th grade all in one class. It is odd seeing all these ppl on different bball knowledge levels interact - and even try to debate.....but we're all fans of the same team, so perhaps I shouldn't be so judgmental.......Heck, maybe I'm the 6'2 dude still in 4th grade by CF standards.....

 

you might think at LEAST one of our rookies will turn into a borderline all star/all star, I personally think at MOST one of our rookies will.

 

If we want to have immediate success then Josh Smith and Granger. But Curry and Harden would be 2 great players to build around, that could be a dominant back court for years. Match that with a good center (Andrew Bynum?) and you have a very solid young core. But I also think Jeremy Lin has a ton of potential at such a young age.

 

To me Curry is way too risky. How many times did he injure the same knee anyway? He is a beastly shooter but those knee problems are a serious concern.

 

he was money in the playoffs except the finals, where he didnt show up. still naw, ill pass. new superstars im for.

 

It would be impossible to overpay Harden, since his production is already worth max money, and he's only going to get better.

 

2011-2012 Free Throws

1. Kevin Durant---431
2. LeBron James--387
3. Kobe Bryant----381
4. Kevin Love-----379
5. R Westbrook---340
6. Dirk Nowitzki--318
7. John Wall------317
8. James Harden--312
9. C Anthony-----295
10. Paul Pierce---293
11. D Howard----281

For those who think Harden isn't any good, take a look at FTA. Only Durant, LeBron, and Kobe attempted more FT/36 than Harden. Offensively, he is a nuisance for other teams.

Don't let that Arab looking beard deceive you. If he cuts off his beard, I bet you will have a different perception of him.

 

He's even more impressive when you consider how many fewer FGA he had than these other players. His FTA were were 60% of his FGA in number, which is amazing. He also finishes at 70%! That's got to be at the top for guards. Throw in the facts that he's a great shooter from the field, FT line, and 3 PT line, and he had an amazing year. I just wonder if he can duplicate it without Durant & Westbrook taking all the attention.