I wish you were all discussing how such ads should be banned from political campaigns since they are merely designed to infiltrate your thought process by exaggerating anecdotal evidence rather than providing real unbiased evidence for a voter to make a decision. It's like an ad telling you how awesome Fanta tastes all while ignoring the harmful aspects of it, and ignoring the useful aspects it shares with Mirinda. The mechanisms for rejecting this kind of BS is already built into right wing ideology so most of the time it really serves no purpose other than picking off the weakest-minded people from the opposing party to become the weak minded people of your own party. If this was about women then there would be more real information in the video about the actual policies which made these women switch. It's clearly designed to appeal to the emotional side of voters when voting has nothing to do with feelings. It's also this kind of thing which makes right wingers cringe when Obama will later come out and talk about how he is not just the leader of a party, he's EVERYONE's leader. After engaging in this kind of condescending reactive behavior? Yeah right. This video is also quite demeaning to women as it seems to indicate that these are the issues women should care about. Like they are this separate segment of society that shouldn't care about taxes and wars and health insurance as much as men? Sure, I prefer Obama over Romney, but being less devastating to MY interests than Mitt Romney is a negligible feat at best. It doesn't mean I have to pretend like he's Jesus built like Arnold funny like Pryor and loving like Mother Theresa. It's ok to be critical of your guy sometimes - and not the occasional "yeah it was mehh, but not a big deal". I'm talking about (for example) seriously looking at your guy and asking yourself if this type of behavior (these ads) played a part in strengthening the gridlock that hammered many of his attempts at "change". Don't waste your time on a video with a pre-selected cast and crew, cherry-picked quotes, make up, lights, music.. unless you are actually looking for a tv show. This same video can be made by a fascist murderous tyrant for his own party and look the same and contain the same message. It doesn't mean anything at all.
Not even close to the same thing. The situation you described is somebody sacrificing their free will to another. The situation at hand is a belief that could be based in religion or any other of a number of reasons. Again...if somebody disagrees with you on a divisive political issue, does that make them a moron? If you answer yes, you are hopeless and add nothing to the debate.
I am not saying someone who disagree with me is a moron. I really do not care that much about the abortion issue anyway. I am only pointing out plenty of people in this country think people in other countries are morons for having different points of views.
This (for lack of a better term) intellectual arrogance isn't exclusive to Americans. Not by a long shot. A lot of people are just too lazy to seek to understand why others have different viewpoints.
mc mark is trending towards meltdown mode or unflinching partisan troll. He's really eager in trying to one-up the Conservative Troll Trio, quoting their garbage, and bypassing other people's ignore filters in the process.
I will not deny that I occasionally push back with partisan rhetoric and can be a bit outlandish with some comments. But sometimes it takes extremes to make a point. So, in the interest of civil discussion, let’s approach the conversation from another perspective. Can anyone name one issue important to woman that republican’s champion? 1) Violence against women? 2) Equal job opportunities/pay? 3) Health care? 4) Poverty? Can anyone say with honesty that any of these issues are important to the republican platform?
Just because somebody takes a different view from you on how to solve a problem does not mean they feel the problem is unimportant. Take poverty as an example. Just because a group of people believe that the answer is not simply more entitlement programs, does not mean that it is not viewed as a problem. I guess the government could buy every homeless person a tent and reclassify them as outdoorsmen. Wow...homelessness has been forever solved. Amazing!
Okay that's fair So let's take poverty What are republicans offering to solve the problem? Here is what the ACA alone does for poverty. To fight hunger, the Act includes a $20 billion increase for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly known as Food Stamps, as well as funding for food banks and the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC); The Act also provides for $2 billion in new Neighborhood Stabilization Funds to help maintain ailing neighborhoods and $1.5 billion in Homelessness Prevention Funds to keep people in their homes or rapidly rehouse them; The Act increases funding for the Community Services Block Grant by $1 billion; The Act increases the Weatherization Assistance Program by $5 billion to help low income families save on their energy bills by making their homes more energy efficient; The Act increases job training funds for those who need them most, with $3.95 billion in additional funding for the Workforce Investment system, which will support green job training, summer jobs for young people, and other opportunities; The Act provides increased income support, including an increase of $25 per week for Unemployment Insurance recipients and incentives for states to expand unemployment insurance eligibility, as well as an extra $250 payment to Social Security and Supplemental Security Income beneficiaries and new resources for the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program; and, The Act provides tax breaks to working families through the Make Work Pay and Child Tax Credits. These changes will reduce the marriage penalty and provide a larger credit for families with three or more children. more information here
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There are a lot of issues "women" care about, not just those. What about lower taxes, decreasing the size of government, reducing regulations, energy policy, environmental policy, values, defense spending, etc? "Women" have opinions that vary just as much as men and they can't be pigeonholed into a stereotype.
Very few people vote with an educated and clear understanding of the issue. Very few. That's not just true in America, that's true everywhere. This is the weakness of democracy - the people decide but the people are not wise. Now, does that mean a woman who vote Republican is a moron? Of course not. But it does mean that she either is unaware of the potential consequences, or is not worried. After all, why should a 60 year old woman care if her reproductive rights are regulated? And maybe a 20 year old already thinks contraception is morally wrong so... Because people don't know much about how things work - they just have their cynical views and mistrust of "others" - on both sides - we end up with the fools we have running our country. But it wont change, just like it won't change anywhere in the world...until things are so bad it's obvious and enough people finally move. It's a reactionary electorate. That's how politics work in the modern media frenzied world. We're in trouble because more money is being squeezed out from the middle class than raining onto it, and that's a formula for a dry well. But that is the inevitable outcome to any system. Collapse. That is what history has shown us. As for the trolls...I look at the trolling by the Republican Cerberus and find it amusing. Notice who TJ picks as his victim - it's always the guy who will react with indignant horror - the one that will take him seriously - he knows he is being ridiculous. He's playing a character who's design is to get a rise, everyone knows this, yet somehow some still take the bait and follow him seriously. I laugh at those who fall for his traps. He is a cat playing with mice. But he won't ever play with another cat like me, because he knows I will embarrass him. HO HO HO.
Women can and do care about many issues. However it isn't silly to point out specific issues that are related to women. It is also worth noting the way that the GOP's actions on those issues.
Stupid A_3PO! How could you possibly think that women are fully developed human beings with complex thought processes? Don't you realize that all they care about is gender related issues? And of course all self-respecting women take the "progressive" stance on every one of those issues.
It also isn't silly to point out that, contrary to liberal talking points, the GOP stance on some of these issues is based on moral considerations (that many women share) and is not meant to be a war to oppress women.
Of course you are right. That's probably why 2/3rds of them are flocking to the President. Poll: Obama Opens Big Lead Over Romney On Women’s Issues Voters see President Obama as far more in touch with the problems women face, a new poll from CNN finds. On who is more in touch with women voters, Obama leads Romney 60 percent to 30 percent among likely voters. Among registered voters, Obama leads 62 percent to 27 percent.
Obviously as a group, history shows women don't vote identically to men. There are issues that weigh heavier with more women than men and v.v. At the same time, millions and millions of women are registered Republicans and vote that way. Diversity of viewpoints is a great thing. This is America. Question: This poll says is saying Obama leads Romney among likely women voters 62-27 percent?
It uglifies the D&D. I'd rather take a 12 Angry Men approach to trolls. Quit quoting the Trio, and if you have a response to the rhetoric they're using, instead of quoting it, try addressing the rhetoric instead. Depersonalize the conversation, and let your points on topic garner the respect it deserves. I like to think reasonable conservatives would post more if they didn't get the same visceral responses and attitudes reflexively given to the Trio. For example, what ****tard would post an oversized embedded video that makes it hard to read comments, when normal copy and paste Youtube embedding is 1/3 the size? Should I derail the topic and focus on what a ****tard (rhymes with asso) he is? Just my 2 cents... We're in a sports forum with mostly dudes in a subforum that has even less women. Doesn't it sound patronizing for a guy to call women morons for something you think they should believe in? Personally, I don't mind Republicans galvanizing their anti-women agenda. They're in a world of hurt in the next 20 years as women continue to saturate the workplace across all sectors.
