For me it was more of an attack on the notion that apple is innovative and yet uses outdated tech. It doesn't fit together. If he really uses a blackberry that's just sad. It actually explains a lot.
I hate the current software patent system, but Samsung couldn't have been any more in the wrong, short of slapping a monochrome fruit logout their devices and prefacing everything with an "i." this case shows Apple learned a lesson from Windows 95. Samsung started this fight and lost. It is weak sauce to copy someone's designs and implementation so closely. Apple engineers invest quite a lot of time and energy on the operations and engineering sides bringing these products to market. Sure, few of their individual ideas are original, but who else knows how to blend and implement the myriad of ideas into a user-centric, elegant whole? Few companies make tech pipedreams into real consumer products like Apple? Every creator stands on the shoulders of giants. Btw, I will be picking up a Metro device when they drop.
I think you are thinking more "invention" than "innovation". You don't have to be the inventor to be innovative. A touchscreen already having existed, for example, does not mean that a device that uses a touchscreen cannot be innovative. Surface Pro, for example, may end up being an innovation. Certainly touchscreen tablets, touch oriented mobile OS and traditional desktop OS are nothing new. Heck, I've even seen videos of Android tablets hacked to run Linux systems, so even combining them has been done. But if Microsoft successfully finds a way to merge the two in a device that creates aa streamlined, improved experience that is a hit with the masses and leads the consumer electronic market in that direction I think that's still an innovation.
Guys, please don't feed the troll. As far as my opinion, Samsung has been copying Apple in design lately. That should be fair game, and I think Sammy is in the wrong on that. As far as software "innovation," Apple has no grounds for anything. I'm still pissed about what they pulled with HTC's One X line. That was utter ridiculousness. I hope Google is serious in their patent infringement case against Apple. I'd love to see that: A. Because it'd shut down some Apple products, if not just for a while by besting them at their own game. B. Because the uproar that us silly Americans would have when we couldn't have our stupid little tech products. C. Most importantly, it would expose the patent system for the idiocy that it is.
Wow. So many thoughts on different fronts. Apple and Samsung are guilty in their own right. There is no winner here at all - mute point.
This is just bad for the consumer. Now that these patents were upheld as valid Apple will go after other phone makers. Some one has to invalidate those pinch to zoom patents for prior art.
Do the other phone makers have internal emails talking about how they can best duplicate Apple's products? People seem to be focusing on the most broad "Apple won, thus everyone is going to be screwed" aspect instead of WHY they might have won this case, and what makes this particular case unique.
Those emails go to cause of Samsung "willfully" stealing from apple, which can be applied as 3x the penalties from the judge but they don't constitute whether those patents were violated. While fanboys will focus on a couple of areas: the emails, the fact that Samsung is Korean, how awesome apple is and it should be supported etc keep in mind that copying the idea or even function of something is NOT illegal or patent infringement. If that were the case apple, which has a very clear history of stealing from Xerox, Microsoft, Nokia and even Samsung would be owned primarily by Xerox today. Microsoft which gets a huge chunk of its money from MS Office would be half owned by WordPerfect Forget the Winklevoss Brothers, Facebook would be owned by John Abrams since the entire CONCEPT, structure, look and feel, and functionality was "stolen" by Zuckerburg from Friendster (and then myspace) Jobs himself, Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates proudly have repeatedly stated how they've stolen stuff from other people and built their companies on it. When Gates was b****ing to Jobs about ripping him off, Jobs replied that perhaps they should both take a walk down the street and have a conversation with Xerox, whose house they both "robbed." What's even worse is that if you go from the macro view... where apple's intellectual property case is shaky or even intellectually hypocritical, to the micro examination of patent violations it gets even more dubious. You can't SUE someone for pinch and rounded edges and things they sued for, can you? And you definitely can't WIN that can you? that's crazy Personally I have some doubts about the competence of the jury. The judge gave them close to 120 pages of instructions. It was so wieldy that lawyers and reporters observing the case were joking about it. But the jury came back with no questions, no clarifications. Any reasonable legal commentator expected weeks of deliberations but the jury came back before they really even could have digested the instructions, let along discussed fully the details of the case. Did we recycle the OJ jury? what is going on I posted this earlier but I think the jury must have at least in part given the award to "Apple." With a capital A. Apple the innovative American groundbreaking aspirational company that they were proud to assist. My opinion. I guess more evidence will come out to the competence and comprehension of the jury as they talk more to the press I know you specifically posted about looking at the details but let me make a wider point. I think Samsung definitely tried to copy (and improve on) apple's iphone to take market share. Is that bad? Hell no. That is what companies do. This is how progress is made. Look at what the outcome of it has been. Samsung improved on their products, looked at how their customers used their products and met customers' needs. Look at the Note. For years we as customers couldn't have a 5 inch screen. Why? not because of market demand. not because of logic. but because some dictator decided that phones must be 3.5 inches as a stylistic choice and everyone in the industry was willing to go against that arbitrary degree. Who did it impact? Did it impact apple? No they just kept shoving iphones in ppl's faces, the customer suffered with a lack of choice that was easily offered if companies were diverse enough to offer it. Patents were created, not to feed fat cats or even specifically to give inventors money but to incentivize innovation. In this case which is going to be the case? Is this decision going to spur innovation or crush it? I mean come on even the fanboys (and I own an ipad myself I'm no apple hater) can't be delusional on this one. It means more money for apple for doing NOTHING for innovation (just collecting checks from other companies) and going to dissuade thousands of really smart engineers out there from starting their own companies or even recommending an improvement to their boss for fear of the patent hammer.
Anyone follow Mark Cuban on twitter? Dude has been ranting since yesterday and hasn't stopped. You'd think it was his company getting sued for a billion.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>If the IBM PC was created in this patent environment there would be no Apple.They would have sued them out of existence.</p>— Mark Cuban (@mcuban) <a href="https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/239163817148428288" data-datetime="2012-08-25T00:54:32+00:00">August 25, 2012</a></blockquote> <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Dear Apple, Xerox PARC called, they want their interface back..</p>— Mark Cuban (@mcuban) <a href="https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/239150335074111488" data-datetime="2012-08-25T00:00:57+00:00">August 25, 2012</a></blockquote> <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Cuban is funny. I like this tweet: "Obviously APPL didnt invent Patent Infringement Suits, but they are certainly doing what APPL does and trying to perfect it" It sucks, but this is the game the tech industry as devolved into. Everyone steals ideas and copies things and is influenced by prior art. Yet we've gone from the Open Letter to Hobbyists to this. Maybe Richard Stallman is right after all. Between MSFT, AAPL, AMZN and GOOG the industry is gonna be on patent lock down. And that is before we get to Disney and copyrights! This is so much bigger than AAPL.... I guess as the appeals process plays out, Samsung can focus its efforts on cloning Windows phone.... This time without a paper trail. Cool website: http://www.groklaw.net/ PJ expects the ruling will not stand.
Seeing Apple win this suit was like when I heard the lady winning against McDonald's for spilling her coffee. This country is going to litigate itself into oblivion this next century. Craziness.
