[NY Daily News] Scott Machado doesn't have a case of Linsanity

I don't understand why y'all hating on Machado. He said nothing special or something that would not be true. I disagree with him only on one thing. Lin is not score first point guard, he is turnover first point guard. Also don't understand why you bash him for his defence. While Lin is better weak side defender, their on-ball defense is pretty much a wash.

 

There's a lot of unnecessary butthurt in this thread.

Good for Machado, he's confident. It's not like he's coming on a team that just acquired CP3, Rondo or Rose. Yes, we picked up Lin to be our starter, but if Machado thinks he can compete, good for him. Maybe he should filter his comments a little with the media, but I have no problem with what he said, because that's what he should be thinking.

 

Confidence is knowing what you have and can do. Jealousy is comparing it with others more successful. Bragging is comparing it with others less successful. He should have left it at "I'm good enough to start in this league and I know if I keep working hard I will."

 

Well, I don't understand why you hate on Lin. Players who have the ball a lot (such as PGs or even Point Forwards such as LJ) and who especially have an aggressive style of play will naturally have a higher rate of turnovers than others. Not sure why you unfairly target Lin and say he’s a “turnover first point guard” when you can equally say the same about other point guards, especially the elite PGs, who turn it over quite a bit as well.

In terms of turnover ratio among point guards last season, Nash was right behind Lin. Two spots behind Nash was Kidd, AMiller, and Rubio. Right after Rubio was Wall. Obviously, Lin didn’t have the worst turnover ratio in the league last season as there were many others worse than him. And where he places within this group does not appear to be out of the norm. My point here is that any good or top point guard will turn it over a bit. I don’t ever hear people saying two-time MVP, Nash is a “turnover point guard” or that Rubio is “turnover point guard” or that Wall is a “turnover point guard”. Turnovers are a function of the position/ball handling responsibilities/minutes played and style of play of any good or elite point guards in this league. This is an inherent part of the game.

And if you watched any of Lin’s games, as the season progressed, Lin’s turnovers also decreased and overall got better at his game - as he gained more experience, became more familiar with other players, and adjusted to the major minutes, speed, and demands of a starter position. Also, as for Lin, remember there was no training camp and he did not undergo any training as a starter before the season began. Outside of the NBA world, think about a time when you started a new job, for example. You don’t instantly become adept at your position. You’re going to have a learning curve and you’re going to make some mistakes. Eventually, you get better and become more skilled as you acclimatize through experience, trial and error, and hard work.

 

Thanks!

 

nothing wrong with him feeling that way... he just needs to show it when the time comes and play good basketball

 

Machado "The Mexican BIG" vs. Lin "The Black Tupac"

Til' the coffin drops!

 

turnovers and shooting are two things PGs can improve on. You saw the later with Kyle Lowry, but there are tons of other examples. All it takes is hard work and practice. But what you can't teach are the instincts that Lin has; the court vision; the heart and leadership; the fire. Lin has all of that already at the age of 23. He sees the court better than all of the young PGs, save Irving. He's also got good size for a PG (which you also can't teach).

I think JLin is gonna surprise the haters.

 

This wraps it up. /thread

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...rt/avg48Turnovers/qualified/false/order/false

Lin is clearly most turnover prone NBA player. And there is a reason for that. He can't dribble with his left hand with any degree of consistency. His dribble is too high making it easy for opponents to strip the ball away. This things doesn't just go away. It's not just turnovers. There was times when Lin struggled to bring the ball across the half court.

 

^^^ According to those stats we need to get Bonner to be our PG. Get'r done Murey!

 

You used TO per 48 stat. The other poster was talking about TO ratio. In the same link if you look at TOPG Wall and Nash have Lin beat. Anyway I am not to worried about TO. I don't know if you read research papers from the MIT Sloan Spots Analytics Conference. But I was reading somewhere that a lot of TO by a young pg is actually an indicator of of a higher upside. The premise is that the player is actively trying to make things happen for the team and they already have that aggressive/attacking mentality at a young age. Like Aruba said TO always go down as the player matures but the players mentality stays the same. So all things remaining equal as the player develops there game and keeps there aggressive mentality they usually develop into better pg's because of there innate ability to get things done and take risks for the team to make things happen.

 

exactly

 

My detector is getting readings of potential LOFs in this sector.

 

Or LOFs vs a LOH. This is gonna be interesting... :grin:

 

Machado is the future! We need to trade Lin as soon as its allowed bc if he stays he'll be too much of a distraction. Machado's arrogance will bode well for our team, winning!!

We signed this winner right?

 

Agree with the sentiment that it's blown out of proportion. Naivete and some NY journalist with an ax to grind = twisted outcome.

As far as playing time, with the gutted position, I think he'll make the team and be on the floor with Lin at times -- assuming he shows well enough in camp.

And on his athletic ability -- or lack thereof. It isn't an ironclad necessity. Just ask Jason Kidd.

The guy is just starting. We'll find out where he ends up.

 

Using your logic, while Lin averages 1 more turnover a game than Nash, he also averages 8 more points a game than Nash per48. I would say 8 more points more than makes up for 1 turnover.

As for Machado's comments, there's nothing wrong with him being confident. But let's be real- you can look at every draft and see 40 or so guys who did great in college that can't hold a flame to what Lin's already done in the NBA.

 

Very interesting, especially pertaining to the idea of upside. Overall, great explanation.

Yeah, when I look at the list of PGs (under TOPG) who have the highest or a relatively high number of turnovers, they generally appear to be players who make a positive impact on the game – “impact” in the way that you explained it, that is, having “an aggressive/attacking mentality” and “actively trying to make things happen for the team” either in scoring or finding the right open player for the best look/shot attempt. And of course in doing so, at times, turnovers occur, which are an inevitable and inherent nature of the game and, as you say, not something to really worry about. What is also interesting about this particular group of PGs is that, for the most part, they happen to be considered either very good or elite players at their position. Don’t think this is just coincidence - and the research that you mentioned seems to supports this notion. Conversely, when I glance at the list of PGs who have the lowest number of turnovers (under TOPG), I can’t say that any of them are deemed as elite or impact players, at least not now. Of course, there may be various reasons for this (e.g., lack of playing time, start or end of career, or they simply may be average/below average players).

Not surprisingly, when I looked at some of the turnovers by position, I also see similar patterns in terms of turnovers and player impact. The shooting guard that has the most turnovers is…drum roll please…Kobe Bryant – who in this particular group is also accompanied by MEllis, EGordon, and right after them, DWade. The small forward who has the highest amount of turnovers? Kevin Durant. And the second highest number in this class belongs to LeBron James. Though, I don’t think I could definitively say without doing more reading on this issue that players who don’t have a high number of turnovers don’t impact the game or as much as others – some may just as well impact the game but in other ways to varying degrees through, for example, rebounding, playing defense, etc. Obviously, turnovers are only one aspect of a player’s game and their performance as a whole must be looked at. Nevertheless, the dataset certainly does indicate particular patterns (which seem to have already been researched and written about, from what Roxxy described).

As for what Aruba77 pointed out – yes, indeed, all of Lin’s intangibles definitely make him a special player and will help him move to the next level if he continues to work hard which I have no doubt that he will.

Roxxy, thanks for the insights – it’s always nice to learn something interesting, especially when it’s contextualized and research based. I’m doing graduate studies now, so definitely into reading research papers. I’ll be sure to check out those from the MIT S. S. A. Conference.

 

He looked like a scrub in SL from what I saw.

Cocky for an undrafted player.