Many friends here had said he has a minimum conservatively estimated vertical of 35. As the report recently he has lose weight and strength of the legs. The vertical law in Physics or Biomechanics is: P = mgh Lin said his strength of the legs is getting better and losing weight. We can expect that P(power from strength of his legs) is up and m(weight) is down and g(gravity) is fixed. So it is easy to calculate the h(height) will get higher than 35.
Switching gears a little bit, people always talk about how 26 games isn't a definitive sample on which to judge Lin's potential. Inspired by the NY Times' Nate Silver, I wrote a FanPost on thedreamshake.com, "Jeremy Lin Is No Fluke, continued", where I used a program I developed to search for players who averaged numbers as well as Lin's in 26 or more consecutive games. Let me know what you guys think!
Interesting. So the range is from credible starters who start for numerous years to hall of famers, to the GOAT. That's a pretty wide range, which is just fine. It's really up to Lin to develop an effective style which will allow him to avoid injuries. I see Lin as an potential/eventual 21.5 ppg, 8.5 apg, 2 spg all star player. We are certain of his work ethic, but less certain of his ability to avoid injuries, given his propensity for physical contact.
A lot of people criticizes Lin's game because he was an undrafted rookie out of Harvard. He played incredibly well in NY and people believe that he will stay in NY for a long time. But because he left NY and signed with Houston, a lot of people got bitter about it and began to find all sorts of reasons to criticize Lin's game. He made the type of mistakes like a lot of turnovers and not going left as much but most lottery drafted rookies probably do much worst but get praise more. To be honest, the things people are criticizing Lin are parts of his game where most decent basketball players can improve. Such as going left or being less turnover prone. Because Lin is still young and really hasn't had much experience at all, he will make the mistakes a young PG will in the beginning of his career. Because he played so well in that stretch, people started to expect so much out of him. Many expected Lin to be perfect and magnified all his mistakes. Jeremy could go left but prefers to go right. He is incredibly talented and has great size for a PG. Though he is not the most athletic player, he can still get pass players and maneuver his way to the basket. He might not be that great defensively and that's why the Rockets have to find different defensive tactics so the quick and athletic PGs don't expose him. But most of his weaknesses that many like to point out can be easily corrected with good coaching and mentor. He can easily improve his decent jumpshot, and work on better decision making. With Lin now playing in Houston and out of the lime lights of NY, people won't be observing him too much and waiting for him to make mistakes to point it out. With most of the pressure in NY now out of the way, Jeremy can now relax and play to his style which will benefit him a lot. Most likely his stats would not improve from last season and people will point that out. But he will probably average close to it which isn't bad at all. It's actually pretty good if he's close to what he did in NY. Its just crazy how many treat Lin differently from other young PGs. The OP is right about if any other young lottery pick PG that did anywhere near what Lin did last year, they will be praise and label as a future star. But with Lin being Asian-American and undrafted out of Harvard, there will always be criticism following him everywhere for the rest of his career even if he pans out as a great PG. With Jeremy it's either you love him or you hate him. He has the same amount of fans and haters.
Wall relies exclusively on his athleticism. From what I can tell, he's not working on his weaknesses, which are his decision making and outside shooting. These are serious problems which he's made little progress on. 'brook is definitely less dumb now than he was a season ago, but as I've stated many times, his tendency to ignore a wide open Durant (a 3X scoring champ), his tendency to take really stupid shots, his tendency to throw tantrums when things don't go his way, all lead to an unfavorable assessment. It's easy to root for the small market OKC, but it's much, much tougher to actually watch them play. Rose is far and away the best player in this group. I saw him prior to the injury as a D Wade caliber player, or close to it. I thought that he had the potential to be a top 30 player ALL TIME. Given his injuries, his prospects are a little more cloudy. But I hope he comes back 100%, but I would hedge my bets a little bit at this point. As far as extrapolating a vert from a photo being silly, I've pointed out many times that you are really too blind to recognize evidence when it doesn't fit your biases. As in, definitive video PROOF of Kidd pulling Lin's hair is ignored. You know the truth, but your ego gets in the way of admitting that you are wrong. Who cares what you think. Your brain is so fried from various blinders it's impossible to discuss any evidence in any coherent way with a person like that. Seriously, pull your head out of your a--.
Can't tell if imarealballer is a troll or just a deranged Lin fan. Maybe both. And Jesus, 10 straight posts? Isn't there a spam rule around here?
Interesting article about Lin's TO. http://basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=845 "How Big a Problem are Jeremy Lin’s Turnovers? by Kevin Pelton Jeremy Lin’s streak continued last night. No, he didn’t score 20 points against the Sacramento Kings. Instead, Lin turned passer and handed out a career-high 13 assists. However, he also had six turnovers, the fourth consecutive time that’s happened and fifth in the last six games. If Lin continues on his current pace, he would make a lot of history, including setting an NBA record for turnovers per game. The league record is 4.5 a night, set by Artis Gilmore during 1977-78, the first year turnovers were tracked at the individual level. (Not coincidentally, player turnovers went down sharply as soon as they were tracked, making it easier for coaches to yell at them for turning the ball over too often.) It feels like there have been two types of responses to Lin’s turnovers. One is to ignore them altogether, since what he’s doing defies rational analysis (and for a variety of reasons, the whole phenomenon does). The other is to mention them in snarky fashion, a la our old friend Sebastian Pruiti. As usual, the numbers stake out a position somewhere in the middle. In this case, they suggest we should probably be closer to ignoring Lin’s turnovers than obsessing over them. Lin’s turnover percentage is 20.4 percent, which is high but certainly not obscene. For example, Rajon Rondo turns the ball over on 20.9 percent of his plays and Steve Nash on 24.1 percent, and there is little hand-wringing about their miscues. In part, this is a situation where our definition of turnover percentage (turnovers per play used) is not entirely apt. Lin scores a lot more than Nash and Rondo, so his denominator is much larger. To compare Lin to other point guards, we’re better off using John Hollinger’s definition of turnover rate, which is TO / (FGA + (.44*FTA) + TO + AST). This helps credit players like Rondo and Nash for the playmaking they’re doing that leads to assists and not shot attempts. By this definition, Nash (14.0 percent) and Rondo (13.6) move ahead of Lin (14.9) … though not by an enormous amount. This year’s other turnover-prone rookie point guard phenom, Ricky Rubio, is also in this ballpark (14.1). So why does Lin commit so many more turnovers per game? As with most issues like this, the answer is opportunities. Since he broke on the scene, Lin is averaging 37.7 minutes per game. Before resting last night, he had averaged 40-plus over his previous five games. He’s also creating an obscene amount of the New York offense (his usage rate is 31.3 percent). So over his seven games as a regular, Lin has averaged 26.4 plays per night. Over the course of the season, that would tie him for second in the league with LeBron James, trailing only Kobe Bryant (30.9). Naturally, players that carry such heavy loads are usually better than average when it comes to turnovers. In this as most senses, Lin is an outlier."
Lots of strange arguments in here. Lin's first step is measured as higher than Irving, Wall, and Rose. His 3/4 court speed is almost the same. Already he's in their league athletically. There's ZERO reason to prefer running, two-footed jumping height as the more important measure of athleticism, which some folks in here are trying to get away with. Lin's total BAM score is not "far below" the others, as someone said. His overall BAM score is definitely on par and in the elite range. Personally, I would consider first step to be far more important than running two footed jumps, which really only come into play in rare (but spectacular) situations. First step is used to get an advantage over and over and over throughout a game, both on offense and defense. This is probably why Lin has been able to get the better over John Wall in Summer League and their NBA match-up. Lin's good comparative athleticism is also the reason he fared extremely well against Derrick Rose, even though rose was reported to be highly motivated. There's no question Wall and Rose's running two footed jumping vertical is 3 or 4 inches higher than Lin's. However, using running two footed dunks as the best measure of athleticism is just a fetish. Lin even out-jumped and won the tip on a jump ball when they met in Summer League, even though Wall has a 4 inch height advantage. Lin is an elite athlete at the PG position in the NBA, and no amount of smirking and snide remarks make the evidence go away.
At this point, I'm tired of speculating and discussing. I just want the season to start and to watch the Rockets.
