The results are in: Voter ID Fraud a myth - but we knew that

My work ID was sufficient as I work for the University of Houston and they considered that a state issued ID card.

Come to Clear Lake and I will be happy to show you.

No, I just have too much to do at work to waste two days getting ID that I haven't needed in YEARS.

 

Bank robbers, murderers, and their ilk are pretty irrelevant if you live in rural America where (a) those things don't really have impact and (b) everyone in the town knows everyone else and ID isn't necessary.

 

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Again, both of you are arguing just to argue. If this were anything other than political, you would agree with me.

 

Nobody here is against voter id.
Everyone here is against forcing citizens to jump through loopholes just to get one.
Make IDs easy to get and nobody would complain.

 

Is gun ownership a right too?
Then how come five years can't purchase guns?

Your logic is terrible.

 

Making ID's "easy" to get allows forgery, which is the problem in the first place. You have to go what? Every 12 years? And that is even for someone who has no online access, which "these" people must not have either.

Do we really have millions of American's living in caves that only grace ourselves with their presence when votin' time comes?

This is such a stupid argument.

 

So we should make getting voter IDs insanely difficult, time constraining, and force citizens to jump through hoops to get them.

That makes sense. Alright. So the same people that are supporters of processes like these are against even the slightest tinge of gun regulation when buying guns. Where is outcry against the ease of buying weaponry and possibility of illegal weapons?

 

"Easy to get" does not automatically mean "easy to forge."

"Stupid argument" is right, but you need to look in the mirror to see the one who is putting forth the stupidity.

 

If it is restricted then it must be a privilege. Things get mislabeled all the time...

It's not anyone's logic; it's a fact that a 14-YO cannot vote. I'm not a gun-owner but I guess it's a fact that there are restrictions put on gun ownership.

Aren't they therefore more akin to conditional privileges than rights?

 

I'm not sure about that....

 

I would be fascinated to see a list of things you consider rights.

Using your logic the entire constitution should do a search and replace in order to exchange the word "right" with "privilege". This is ignorant.

 

Tell any gun owner that gun ownership is a privilege, not a right and watch them go crazy. Just because there are conditions on something doesn't mean its not a right.

In fact age is a huge factor on restrictions for EVERYTHING. Young age prevents you from voting, driving, being tried as an adult in court, engage in casual sex, and enter into a contract, serve in the military, watch p*rnography, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, work, etc.

Just because its age-restricted doesn't make it a privilege.

 

Fellows, this is rocketjukoda's definition: a privilege has higher thresholds (qualifiers, restrictions, requirements et al) because it is less precious. It caught me off-guard at first but the more you think about it, the more it describes reality. All I've done is applied it to some areas where many have comfortably made assumptions or just embraced the status quo.

Perhaps the language is insufficient but what rights do American citizens have untrammeled access to in the Constitution: life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. The Bill of Rights expanded those in some cases (right to bear arms) and the Amendments have both expanded (Fifteenth Amendment) and restricted (Twenty-sixth Amendment) our rights.

How is setting any kind of limit on voting age not abridging the rights of a 14-YO US citizen?

How is imposing restrictions on fire arms purchases not abridging the rights of any US citizen?

I'm not at all saying these things are wrong or bad. I'm just stripping them down naked to what they really are.

 

They not have have that right because we as a society have determined that children on the whole don't have the maturity, experience, and independence to make good decisions. It's the same reason we don't let children work or go to war or run for President. Yet another obtuse and intellectually dishonest performance from you.

 

Whether it is for their own good or not you agree, then, that we have restricted that right as it pertains to them. That is all I'm saying.

 

It seems like a relatively simple solution. Everyone that wants to vote HAS to register to vote and at some point they receive a voter registration card. Simply include a picture of yourself (as done with a passport) along with your registration form. The extra cost to include the picture and laminate the card should be minimal.

 

Again - I request some items you view as rights. Or is of your opinion that we have no rights?

 

Not prepared to answer.

rocketsjukoda just heaped this realization on me a couple of days ago. I'll have my team look into it...

EDIT: Of course we have rights. You are just trying to sensationalize the argument.

 

Do you have one?

Was it insanely difficult to obtain?

 

it's not about that bull****. it's about having legitimate people vote. "study after study" shows that stupid people are stupid.

you realize that the vast vast majority of poor and elderly have the legitimate forms of ID. the discrepancy comes in because 99.9% of the functioning adult population have at minimum driver licenses or passports so of course it's not going to be a burden to the middle class or anyone who's not a complete r****d. the people who can't muster basic ID are on the fringe so of course the affect is going to be conflated for the poor and elderly. everyone else is busy working and being functional adults in society. and of course regardless of the issue the way to get sympathy of any issue is to claim it disproportionately affects "poor and elderly" throw "minority (meaning black)" in there as well.

you're talking about a handful of people in tens of thousands who would have to travel 100 miles. the reason why ID isn't required has nothing to do with social justice, it has to do with corruption. voting used to be extremely shady in this country. just in this neck of the woods as recently as the 60s local bosses could deliver tens of thousands of illegitimate Mexican votes. that's how Lyndon Johnson got elected. go back into the last century and things weren't much better for Irish in Chicago or Italians in NY. that **** was done to obfuscate voter rolls nothing else

in the 21st century there's absolutely no reason why adequate verification can't be established for each voter. we're not a ****ing 3rd world nation