When his career ends and after it plays out the way I expect it to these are the players that I would not rank him higher then (In no order): Kareem Abdul Jabaar Magic Johnson Larry Bird Michael Jordan Hakeem Olajuwon Shaquille O'Neal Kobe Bryant I stayed away from comparing him against guys like Wilt or Russell because they played so long ago I really have no way to compare the two. My knowledge steams from 80's and on. So according to my list I would expect him to be the 8th greatest player of all time. Now I can account for error in my rankings so I can see him cracking the top 5 and going over guys like Bryant, Bird, O'Neal and even Olajuwon if he surpasses my expectations. But in that same sense he could fall off the top 10 and rank below players like Duncan, Wilkens, Ewing, Robinson, Malone and Barkley if his play in his latter years falls off.
Well that's your oppinion which is fine with me until you use the words "No Way In Hell". And some of your statements makes me wonder if you were even watching the NBA in the 70s & 80s. 1st. KG has never so much as led a team to the NBA finals as the best player on a team. Paul Pierce gets that distinction with the Celtics. 2nd. Moses Malone was the best player on 2 different franchises that went to the NBA Finals and the best player on the 4 / 4 / 4 76ers team which is arguably the greatest team of all time. He is a 3 time NBA MVP, 1 time NBA Finals MVP and as someone who actually watched the damn game back then I saw him dominate Kareem in the play-offs as a Rocket and in the Finals as a 76er. 3rd. I do not like Isiah Thomas but if you think he was just a one way player you clearly did not watch him play. He was a damn good defensive player. He was the single best player on the bad boy Pistons that went to 3 NBA Finals and won 2. 4th. You don't think KG should be compared to Kevin McHale because you don't beleave McHale could be the best player on a championship team. Hmmmm. Maybe, maybe not but we certainly know that KG can't win a championship as the best player on a team. The T-Pups were horrible his last several years there and and only won any play-series one season while the best player on those teams. IMO I think it's arguable who the better player is. Personally I would take KMac because of his superior post game as compared to KG, but KG was a better shot blocker, rebounder, passer so take your choice. 5th. Dr J? Really? He was MJ before MJ. To a lot of people he was basketball. He led multiple teams to the NBA championship series as the best player on his teams. Dr J is clearly deserving of discussion in the tier one group. If your oppinion is that Moses and Thomas are not tier one talent that's fine. But when you use the words "No Way In Hell" it shows your ignorance because there is certainly a clear case for those guys being in that tier one group.
Not really. Most of us consider Dream a top 10 guy and he is only 1 title behind him, and 2 MVPs ahead. His numbers are just as sick.
He's only played with the type of help every other person with multiple titles has had for every one of their title winning season....a HOF teammate that isn't washed up....for 2 seasons. Two Finals and one title in that span. Dream and Duncan are exceptions to the above.
Lebron surpassing MJ as GOAT? An LA Times poll right now has 34% of fans voting that Lebron is better than MJ. He wins 1 championship and all of a sudden he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as MJ? http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-lebron-james-michael-jordan-20120816,0,5028995.story
People need to stop with this talk. No player in today's game has any chance at surpassing MJ. It's way too hard to surpass what MJ accomplished individually, team-wise, and off the court.
Doubt that will happen. Jordan is basketball all around the world. His brand of shoes alone keeps his name intact for new generations.
Serious MJ finished his NBA career 2003 while Lebron started in 2003. Oscar R finish career in 1974. Majority people who watch LBJ play will have seen MJ play like Sport writers who discuss who is GOAT. If people forgot about MJ, they also will forgot LBJ because playing career are close too each other. Also MJ still make more endorsement money then LBJ. Probably still more famous then LBJ worldwide. http://articles.businessinsider.com...08_1_endorsement-deals-nike-charlotte-bobcats
If LeBron (big IF) ends up with more titles than Michael, while being the main reason his teams won the title AND consistently produces MVP numbers, will he be considered the GOAT?
If Royce White (big IF) ends up with more titles than Michael, while being the main reason his teams won the title AND consistently produces MVP numbers, will he be considered the GOAT?
Moses Malone was a great winner than KG, while it is arguable that he himself did not play on teams with superior talent until he reached Philly in 82. He was also a greater scorer, rebounder, and went deeper into playoffs. I feel the same way about Dr. J and Zeke, both of whom aren't quite top 10, but very close to the top 10 or definitely in the top 20. I honestly think that KG is barely top 20. He wasn't quite the same superstar as say Dr. J, Moses Malone, or Isiah Thomas.
Lets sum up your points. Kevin Mchale is on the same tier as Kevin Garnett. o) Moses Malone and Dr. J are on a higher tier than Kevin Garnett. (thats ok) Paul Pierce was the best player on the Celtics in the 08 run.o) Isiah Thomas was a great defender and a tier higher than KG. o) No all time lists has Mchale anywhere near Garnett. Garnett is far higher up. As for Kevin Garnett not being the best player on the Celtics in the 08 run.... Just look at the regular season and playoff stats.... Its not even close Kevin Garnett was vastly superior to PP. Lets not even take into account the fact that he is a great defensive anchor. Isiah Thomas was never a good defender. I have no clue where you got that from. You couldn't have gotten it from watching him play thats for sure.... He was not a bad defender but thats it. He never even got a single all defensive team. Of course Isiah Thomas will remain historically overrated for leading historically stacked teams to championships. As a player Isiah Thomas was never anywhere as impactful as Kevin Garnett. KG scored as much as Isiah Thomas(who played in a faster pace btw) on way higher efficiency and he was much more impactful on the defensive end. IT's playmaking doesn't even come close to making up for this gap. Lets not even take into consideration the fact that Isiah Thomas did not have much longevity.
This poster summarizes my favorite part about clutchfans. - This guy singles out all of your arguments and rejects them with an emoticon or a one word answer - When he is suppose to justify why he rejects your argument, he rephrases everything from his original post that you already rejected with arguments. - Thus, the cycle continues. I love KG btw. Moses Malone and Dr. J are much better than KG. Those two guys dominated and were considered top 5 players. The McHale comment is an argument but I will give you that too since KG was averaging kevin love rebound numbers for multiple seasons. Everything else is wrong! I hate Isiah Thomas, but he was a two way player.
