The results are in: Voter ID Fraud a myth - but we knew that

Wow. In a whole series of stupid statements by you, this might be at the top of the list. You are just not remotely well informed on this topic at all.

 

That's not the case. Go to Post #174 where you posted my complete sentence. Here you've only recreated the last clause. I thought you were responding to the first clause of my sentence as that was the salient point. The second clause was merely supportive: regardless of the matter of the degree of difficulty, having some kind of voter ID system for this paramount privilege is a good idea.

How is 13 Million illegal aliens who are putting a huge burden on many of our public institutions a shrinking problem? Is this one of those "the rate of growth has slowed" justifications?

13 Million people don't just go away. That's the fifth largest state in the union! Again, you applied selective reading to what I posted. Waffling about the size of the problem NOW was just saying that it was not really material to the good idea that voter ID is.

Just putting the number in a perspective. I'm shocked that you don't think that is a significant number...

We don't make it easy for anyone to vote. It's not a national holiday. Folks with jobs have to go early, sneak out at lunch, or go late.

Voter turnout is pathetic in most cases. Typically a bit more than half of the eligible voting age population actually votes.

If we can get converter boxes and census-takers to people where they live, we certainly can get valid voter ID into their possession.

 

So barriers make it easier to get things done? We're talking about lack of transportation or distance of travel or difficulty of travel, aren't we? Are you saying those are the more likely voters?!

 

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Opposing Voter ID is like supporting gun control. And SCOTUS has already upheld it in Indiana so courts are no help.

 

The VRA doesn't really apply to Indiana. The only voter protection laws that exist in this country protect minorities so the cases in the South are being litigated completely differently. (Plus they're litigated directly by the Justice Department as opposed to 3rd party groups bringing up the suits)

 

Everything about voter ID is about cost in money and time. Neither of those really apply to voting - there are voting places nearby and it doesn't take long to vote. Just because a person is poor and can't afford to spend $100 and a day of their life to get an ID doesn't mean they were unlikely to vote otherwise.

 

Let's break this down for you:

Your full quote: If you read what I wrote, my concern was for the future of voting. I'm neither convinced or unconvinced that there is a problem right now

My response: Of course you're not, despite reams of evidence.

If you thought, for some bizarre reason, that I was referring to the first part, my response wouldn't even make any sense. It would be:

You: If you read what I wrote, my concern was for the future of voting.

Me: Of course you're not, despite reams of evidence.

That doesn't even make any sense as a response on my part. Basic reading comprehension would understand that "of course you're not" would respond to the 2nd statement.

Uhh, if there were 15 million illegal aliens in 2008, and 13 million illegal aliens in 2012, that would be a shrinking problem. It would not indicate a problem that is "out of control". It would indicate a problem that is successfully being dealt with.

What does the number of illegal aliens even have to do with ANYTHING in regard to voter ID?

If this were a discussion on illegal immigration, it might be. But it's totally irrelevant to a discussion on voter ID laws.

Over time, we have made it easier and easier to vote. Polling places stay open longer, employers are more understanding, etc. Most people think that's a good thing.

Yes, and I think most people would like that number to improve. Putting more barriers up is generally not a good way to do that.

We don't get converter boxes or cable to a lot of rural people because it's too difficult and expensive. The 2010 Census cost about $13 billion. Are you up for spending $13 billion of taxpayer money to solve a non-existent problem?

Nevermind the fact that none of these last 3 responses had anything to do with my question of whether you think illegal immigrants are suddenly going to start voting as other people or not.

 

Yeah, I know. That's why I told you so. In fact, you pared my sentence and left out the essential part of my statement. Why are you telling me this? I told you first....

All we've done to reduce illegal immigration is put the US economy in the dumps. Not so many jobs anymore... even for illegals. We still have to deal with 13 Million illegals on an ongoing basis.

They are candidates for voter registration which may lead to more voter fraud. Why do you insist on trumping the will of the American people?

Not so.

So why haven't those numbers shot up? The trend has been level for decades.

Now really, how much of a barrier is a legitimate photo ID. Based on the years it took Obama to produce a birth certificate and the hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars he wasted trying to fend off the requests, I see why you may have a challenge with it.

Readiness for the future? Not sure why you think it would cost that much, but even if it did and it was a 10-year tool, that's a bargain. You are littering dollars in your pursuit of pinching pennies.

You've made a fair point about possible unwillingness to vote but who can tell what the criminal minds out there will think of next? Excusing it due to the cost when there is so much more heavy waste in government spending is suspect. Why are you so willing to be lax about it?

 

giddyup, while you appear to be saying that you agree with the law because it reduces the risk of voter fraud, can you at least acknowledge the fact that the law is being proposed because the national Republican party wants to reduce the number of potential votes to the Democratic party?

 

Let's cut to the chase. It's another "poll tax," designed to discourage voting among those who tend to vote Democratic.

 

Okay, you can have that one (not sure how you will prove it!). Now will you acknowledge the fact that the law is being opposed because the national Democratic Party wants to increase the number of potential voters for the Democratic Party?

All any legal citizen would have to do, were there ever a law passed, is get the approved ID. Let the chips fall....

 

I'm not sure how you'd prove either assertion, but I'd say neither party gives a damn about voter fraud one way or the other.

 

In a similar fashion, if a person is poor and can't afford to donate a red cent to Clutchfans (or is unwilling), it doesn't mean that they are unlikely to post over 22,680 times.

ZING

 

HO HO HO! Now that's the type of cheap low-brow trash talking that I like to see. Obviously he has touched a nerve...

 

You keep on repeating this but you haven't show how this is a problem in regard to voting.

 

Yes, I have. Greater numbers of illegal voter registrations have the potential to lead to greater amounts of voting fraud. Whether or not it is a problem now, it could loom as a problem in the future. YOu are not allowed to operate your motor vehicle without you license on your possession but you can vote with no proof of who you are... it's just illogical.

 

I agree with his statement.

Unfortunately, this country is backward on so many ways, your statement is technically correct.

 

1. Discernment not judgment. If one can't procure a form of ID required to vote, one probably shouldn't vote as it reflects a lack of caring or a lack of preparation or a lack of awareness. A presidential election comes around every four years and makes headlines for 18 months ahead of time. It surely shouldn't sneak up on anyone.

2. Only about 50% of eligible voters actually vote in federal elections, how is it false to predict that the most "challenged" to vote are the least likely? Statistically it's pretty much a sure thing. Saying they are more likely to vote is also a presumption. It's a prediction of behavior not a limitation put on it.

 

Were some of you born with the part of your brain where empathy comes from missing or did you purposefully find a way to ignore it?

There's a lot of callousness to other people's situations in this thread, but it will be funny what happens to some of you, years from now, if Paul Ryan or somebody similar manages to enact their vision for America. I can see it now:


You are elderly, living in an awful retirement home. Your kids don't come to see you at all, they resent you because they have to pay out of pocket for you to live in this hell hole because you had nothing to retire on and social security was ended in favor of a national 401K program. This was great for Trader_Jorge and Bigtexxx who were now government contractors. They got paid a flat fee for each 401K USA account they managed on top of their percentage from each account. Thanks to the Romney Act, they are able to legally move a huge percentage of their pre-taxed income and all of their capital gains to foreign banks. Also, because of a loophole, this money is no longer able to be seized by the USA if they are found guilty of some kind of fraud or malfeasance.

Realizing they aren't getting any younger, the TJs and BTs of the world make aggressive and risky investments with your money that will pay huge now but may not be good for the long term. Realizing the bubble is about to burst, they hightail it for Bain Capital Island, a sovereign nation comprised of Wall St veterans with no extradition.

So, your USA 401K is now worth crap. You are stuck in this retirement home and it's time to renew your ID so that you can vote. You can't take the bus because you are immobile and badly in need of a hip replacement, but Obamacare was undone and replaced with Ryancare. Unfortunately, you used up all of your vouchers and can't get the hip replacement you need. In the future, artificial hips actually improve your ability to walk, but only people from Bain Capital Island can afford them.

It's up to the staff of the retirement home to take you to the office to renew your ID because due to new voter ID laws, your photo ID has to be done in person and not from your Holodeck. Due to cutbacks, these offices are only open for an hour a day every other day. Minimum wage laws were repealed, so the workers at the retirement home are paid poorly and are unmotivated to help you. Plus, oil speculators keep driving the cost of barrels up and making gas too expensive for the Retirement Home to afford using their van.

Somewhere on the Matrix, some people are having a debate at the Clutchfans Virtual Forum. Some guys are arguing that we need to overturn these stringent voter ID laws and the laws that don't allow third party groups to drive voters to polling stations. But others scoff at the idea. Robin_Jones is all like "but think about the elderly people in retirement homes who can't get a new ID....(he made a space musical about it)" but giddydown is all "if they can'f find a way to get and ID, then they aren't worthy of voting."

A couple of guys named Minor and wowimsoexcited are bringing up facts about how there are people who can't get IDs because of the limited office hours and other circumstances, but Putin21 and falseroxhater are all like "nuh-uh, we have uncles with dual citizenship here and in Bain Capital Island and they are able to fly in on their private planes and get new IDs all the time, so clearly other people's relatives should be able to do it too."

Finally, a guy named Bruin2055 decides to type up a silly little story on his Holotablet about a scary future because it's more entertaining than what's been going on, but it's getting too close to 6:30 and he needs to get ready for work, so he abruptly ends it.