The results are in: Voter ID Fraud a myth - but we knew that

Democrats don't have enough faith in their voting base, so they shift the attack onto Republicans whom they say are trying to eliminate people from the polls...which is true to an extent, they are trying to purge illegal voters from the polls.

If you can't drive to 25 miles (max) to get an ID, where do you go to vote? Do you even vote? No one should be exempt from voting because they can't get an ID, but everyone should be able to get an ID...

 

Link please. I have read 113 and that some of those were a result of the 2010 election.

I would like proof that 177 people have been convicted of casting illegal votes in the Minnesota senate race of 2008. Your premise then should probably prove who they voted for if you want to use this as a case of voter fraud for a single candidate. What if they were all votes cast against Franklin?

 

What does this have to do with anything? This is a problem in the voter registration system that allowed them to become registered voters. It has nothing to do with registration fraud or voter ID fraud. None of the proposed laws address any of this.

Who here is a poor, elderly person in rural America?

This is where the stupid comes in. People assume that whatever their life is like must apply to everyone else. There are numerous parts of Texas where the nearest place to get an ID is 100+ miles away, and only open during weekday business hours. If you're poor, the cost in transport and lost wages, along with the cost of an ID, would be a significant deterrent. As noted in the article earlier, some ID offices are only even open a few days a year. Do you think that makes it easy to get an ID?

Again, what is the point of creating barriers to solve a problem that doesn't exist? Why can no one answer this simple question?

 

I must reiterate -

How ironic that the Big Government Conservatives want to tackle a problem on the state level, with taxpayer money, that is a fictional problem. Potentially disenfranchising as much as 7% of the electorate in order to fix something that has been proven to be much less than 1% of votes cast.

In addition, at the federal level it is even less of a problem than the alleged issues with the 2008 MN race.

And if you decide you want to tackle this at a federal level it becomes a greater hypocrisy. Mandating for all states what needs to be fixed in Minnesota.

And then the final irony - that any of the proposed voter ID laws would not have prevented the cases of fraud reported in Minnesota.

Objectivity and facts are your friend, not your enemy.

 

We all know most employers don't actually check for your documentation, despite that they are supposed to. You should definitely still have them. I'd argue against requiring a photo ID (unless they are made free to the public, which a 1st ID probably should be), but a SS card is free (at least until so many replacements have been issued).

Yeah it costs time, but the unemployed and retired generally have more of that to go around.

 

Old people are usually so much more obsessive about that kind of stuff than younger people, I would actually find that surprising.

 

And then Holder blocks the removal of the names? In what world would you do that? Do you feel its wrong to take them off the list?

I know these people will be very upset if you remove them.

 

That's horse ****.

Wouldn't a DL suffice? Who doesn't have a DL that votes at the polls? It doesn't stop mail in votes. If you have a DL, you can get to a center to get an ID. Some offices are only open certain days and certain hours. There are centers open later and on weekends. Of course it is EASIER to do NOTHING, but that doesn't protect the legitimacy of the voting system.

The indictments of county registrars is relevant. It shows that there is fraud in the system. It proves that people ARE manipulating polls. As does the convicted felons voting. IDs would be tied to a system that prove you are eligible, stopping illegals from voting.

And many states are/have reviewed their proposed bills to ensure easy access. The liberal media just doesn't report it, and many are too lazy to ready through the BS that is spouted by all the "experts." I remind you these "experts" are often being paid by someone with something to lose.

 

And yet you are reporting figures as fact that are false and the conclusions drawn for those false figures are misguided. Is this intentional or laziness?

 

You're making the assumption that all of those people voted for Franken. For all we know, Norm Coleman received all of their votes and the election should have had a much larger lead for Franken.

This is an idiotic line of argument.

 

Too bad a Voter ID law or focusing on voter ID fraud won't.

 

Actually pointed out a very important twist.

Absentee voting is BY FAR the biggest conduit for fraud. Fraud more or less doesn't happen at the polls.

And yet, the Republican voter ID laws only target election day voting which is interesting since absentee voting tends to attract more Republicans than Democrats as a tool of voting.

If you actually cared about fraud, you'd beef up security on absentee voting and lay off in person voting. Yet the Republicans have consistently done the opposite.

 

No I didn't. I simply said at least 1099 voted illegally in that election, some where convicted and Franken won by a relatively small margin. I didn't say that Franken won because of those votes, although there was a poll of a small group of those convicted, most said they did vote for Franken.

That's not what I was saying, nor was I trying to insinuate that he won the election due to those votes. What I did say is illegal votes ARE cast in each election and some elections could easily be manipulated because of it.

MRRoboto, what figures am I reporting that are false? And which conclusions drawn from them were false?

 

Ummm, a lot of people. A whole lot of people.

Yes, that's true in big cities. It's quite clear you have ZERO experience with rural America, where a good chunk of the US population lives.

Except, as has been noted, there is no evidence of these illegal people voting. The problems in MN could be stopped by different laws, but not by anything suggests. None of the actual laws proposed/enacted do anything to stop any actual problems.

Examples? Where is the bill to address this, for example:

And in an extreme example, the researchers found the office in Sauk City, Wis., is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. That would limit the office to being open just four days this year.

When you can make IDs easily accessible to anyone who wants or needs one, then voter ID laws make sense. As it stands, this is not remotely the case, and thus just serves to be a disenfranchising force.

 

I agree, absentee voting, illegal immigrants, and convicted felons are the easiest to target. However, with an ID system tied to a federal voter base, you can automatically check each voter to ensure he is eligible. Absentee votes are a much more difficult and would require a different system obviously.

 

This isn't even true. This was just based on the convicted felons information available to the study. As some county registrars noted, this information isn't accurate because some convictions such as probation are reduced or changed later in the process, making those people again eligible to vote.

 

That's not what's being done. All the voter ID does is ensure the person is the person they claim to be (pretending that fake IDs are difficult to get). So the convicted felons that voted in MN would still be allowed to vote, because they were who they claimed they were.

 

Also such a federal database doesn't exist and would cost an absurd amount of money to create it. Considering problems with existing federal databases, I can guarantee that a lot of people would get screwed in the process too.

 

Roughly 10% of ELIGIBLE voters.

Wrong, I have family in rural Texas. 30 miles is the max anyone would have to travel. And that is for people who don't already have a driver's license or some other form of ID.

The ID would stop convicted felons from voting.


Examples? Where is the bill to address this, for example:

And in an extreme example, the researchers found the office in Sauk City, Wis., is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. That would limit the office to being open just four days this year.

That has been debunked. Because that is one center. They can go to any DPS office or whatever it is called in Wis, and get it done there 6 days out of the week.

 

You're missing the point.

Having to travel 30 miles or hell across the damn state in Wisconsin to get an ID is an unreasonable burden. Most people just wouldn't bother to vote since its not worth the headache.

That's the disenfranchisement people are referring to.

The people most affected by this, (the poor and elderly) dont necessarily have the time or ability to drive that far to get a voter ID. And that's assuming they have the proper documentation.