BREAKING: Shooting at a Wisconsin temple, 20+ shot, 4 dead, kids being held hostage?

well, that's where the problem is.

Do the look like the enemy, or do they look like the all the citizens of Iran we were supposedly trying to liberate? Which is it?

Do they look like Osama? Or do they look like all the people in Afghanistan that we're supposedly trying to help build schools for, and all of that good stuff.

It seems that you took some physical characteristics of people who look different than you and are our enemies and applied a negative connotation to anyone who happens to share those same physical characteristics.

There's a name for people who do that kind of stereotyping.

 

The police?

 

I've meet a few Marines like you... not the brightest ones too.

 

please try not do draw sympathy points from your pog mp experience from Afghanistan... Children in a war zone and children in the U.S. don't do, see, act the same way.

 

JD88 do you give the same type of "understanding" with rapists... "Ho was struttin her **** yo and I tapped that"

blaming the victims and not the mass murdered.. pathetic.

 

I ran 30+ combat missions in Helmand Province.

If you would like, I will show you pictures and videos of how POG my depolyment was.

 

Yes. They are called Neo-Nazis. Which is exactly what that guy was.

Now you are starting to see where this guy is coming from. You are taking his point of view, and his beliefs, and turning it into mine.

I never said I support his barbaric wasting of civilians at a place of worship, I simply pointed out that nobody should be surprised a Klan member walked into a church, and killed people who looked and dressed just like the 9/11 hijackers. Just like nobody should be surprised if a black man walked inside a church in western West Virginia and shot up a group of whites who were sporting full body tattoos and shaved heads.

It wouldnt surprise me. Sure they probably never did anything wrong, but its called PROFILING for a reason.

 

Very POG









Not trying to get into a pissing match. Just pointing out that someone who is willing to go into a place of worship and start shooting up the place is not thinking logically. Anyone who is willing to kill anyone for no reason is not thinking logically.

 

JD88, thank you for your service. Don't let "holier than thou" behind the screen zealots like FranchiseBlade who are quick to call others racist so that they can claim false moral superiority insult you.

 

Who cares if its "surprising"? It doesn't diminish or excuse what happened.

You're making it seem like the responsibility should be on the Sikh community to change their customs which are completely harmless, instead of on Americans who are ignorantly hateful.

Also, I'm not sure this killing has to do with getting Sikh's confused with Muslims because of their dress and facial hair. It looks more like they were targeted because they aren't white. Should they dye their hair blonde and powder their skin just to be on the safe side?

 

How do you know, did you talk to the gunman before he shot himself?

When travelling in other countries, before I leave I let my hair grow out, and I stop acting like a Marine because, its unsafe to be an American, especially an American in the military. That is called common sense.

If they lost the beards and middle eastern clothing, do you think they would have been less likely to become a target? I do. You probably feel they shouldn't have to, because this is America, and we allow people in with open arms and are nice to everyone. That may be what the brochure reads when you first get here, but take one look around and you will see otherwise.

Again, the guy was a nut job and clearly had hate in his heart, but stop with the 'America is the place to come be free and do what you want' fairy tale story. Thats not the case in the real world.

 

I know he's a white supremacist who had issues against anyone who wasn't white. I'm not aware that he was specifically pissed off at Muslims. Are you?

If (a) they Sikh's were merely visiting the US and not living here, and (b) Sikhs were generally perceived as antagonistic against Americans (like, for instance, they have a history of bombing Americans in other countries), then I would agree with you that the visiting Sikh's would be wise not to advertise themselves as such while they are here.

Instead, we're talking about a peaceful community that is living here for more than a generation, and there's no reason for there to be any bitterness on our end towards them. And yet you think they should willfully abandon their own cultural identity to pacify the nutcases that unfortunately are living among us? I just can't accept that.

 

I agree with this post.

 

Why shouldn't people be surprised? It's been nearly 4,000 days since 9/11. The Sikh community has places of worship all around the country and has had them all this time. There have been thousands of KKK types around the country all this time. And yet, none of those other thousands of KKK types went into any of the many Sikh places of worship on any of the previous 4,000 days and went on a shooting spree. So why wouldn't it be surprising when it does happen?

 

Please... Honestly I don't care if you have or not, but trying to get sympathy points for your service is a joke. Especially in this case... How can you tie in children in Afghanistan in a war and kids here? People are not going to change their culture because there are a few mad men around. That's weak.

p.s. sucks that you guys are given mtv's... I'm pretty sure every Victor unit after 2009 in Afghanistan started receiving plate carriers including ours.

 

How many events can you think of that actually happen, like that? I'm not saying black men aren't capable of mass murders, retaliation violence, or hate crimes, but with that particular scenario that would be an anomaly. We've rarely seen such a person (an American black man or group) commit mass-murder and terroristic actions (bombing churches or attacking white establishments) against a group of people, based on political and social ideology alone.

I disagree, I used to be a counselor and I've actually had students tell me that they were harassed or bully for being perceived Middle Eastern, mostly students form Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India. One student was even Hispanic (but perceived as Middle Eastern) and complained about being targeted as such. You don't necessarily need a beard or (stereotypical Middle-Eastern clothing), because most Americans of Middle-Eastern and West Asian descent are probably dressed more American than anything else, while even in some of the Middle Eastern countries, the citizens do dress very modern with business or casual clothes and clean-shaven faces.

 

Im not tying anything in here. Im just saying kids are capable of doing horrible things just like adults are. I was under the impression kids were kids until I went over. I could have used the gang related violence in Chicago, where a lot of the shooters are 15, 16, 17 years old. Would that make it any different?

PS... We didnt have enough. Plate carriers were only for Top and our officers, who rarely if ever went on missions with us, and when they did, it was just to chase ribbons. I took my chances for the most part anyway unless we were getting shot at or crossed the 45th Northing. For some reason they wouldnt plant bombs anywhere south of the line.

 

Not saying they wouldnt be a target, just hypothesizing they would be less of a target.

Kinda like how flamboyantly gay guys complain when they get beat up. Not saying they wouldnt get beat up if they didnt dress overly gay...

Not the best example but its all Ive got. Makes it sound like I am blaming the victim here, but, you see what Im getting at.

 

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What are you even trying to say at this point?