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Romney to Reveal VP Choice Tomorrow (Saturday, August 11)

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  1. Northside Storm

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    Paul Ryan's Speech today, with annotations:

    Thank you Governor Romney, Ann. I am deeply honored and excited to join you as your running mate.

    Mitt Romney is a leader with the skills, the background and the character that our country needs at a crucial time in its history. Following four years of failed leadership, the hopes of our country, which have inspired the world, are growing dim; and they need someone to revive them. Governor Romney is the man for this moment; and he and I share one commitment: we will restore the dreams and greatness of this country.

    I want you to meet my family. My wife Janna, our daughter Liza, and our sons, Charlie and Sam.

    I am surrounded by the people I love, and I have been asked by Governor Romney to serve the country I love.

    Janesville, Wisconsin is where I was born and raised, and I never really left it. It’s our home now.

    For the last 14 years, I have proudly represented Wisconsin in Congress. There, I have focused on solving the problems that confront our country, and turning ideas into action; and action into solutions.

    I am committed, in heart and mind, to putting that experience to work in a Romney Administration. This is a crucial moment in the life of our nation; and it is absolutely vital that we select the right man to lead America back to prosperity and greatness.

    That man is standing next to me. His name is Mitt Romney. And he will be the next president of the United States.

    My dad died when I was young. He was a good and decent man. I still remember a couple of things he would say that have really stuck with me. "Son you are either part of the problem or part of the solution."

    Regrettably, President Obama has become part of the problem,...and Mitt Romney is the solution.

    The other thing my dad would say is that every generation of Americans leaves their children better off. That's the American legacy.

    Sadly, for the first time in our history, we are on a path which will undo that legacy. That is why we need new leadership to become part of the solution – new leadership to restore prosperity, economic growth, and jobs.

    It is our duty to save the American Dream for our children, and theirs.

    And I believe there is no person in America who is better prepared – because of his experience; because of the principles he holds; and because of his achievements and excellence in so many different arenas – to lead America at this point in its history.

    Let me say a word about the man Mitt Romney will replace. No one disputes President Obama inherited a difficult situation. And, in his first 2 years, with his party in complete control of Washington, he passed nearly every item on his agenda. But that didn’t make things better.

    In fact, we find ourselves in a nation facing debt, doubt and despair.

    This is the worst economic recovery in 70 years. Unemployment has been above 8 percent for more than three years, the longest run since the Great Depression. Families are hurting.

    We have the largest deficits and the biggest federal government since WWII.

    Nearly 1 out of 6 Americans are in poverty--the worst rate in a generation. Moms and dads are struggling to make ends meet.

    Household incomes have dropped by more than $4,000 over the past four years.

    Whatever the explanations, whatever the excuses, this is a record of failure.

    President Obama, and too many like him in Washington, have refused to make difficult decisions because they are more worried about their next election than they are about the next generation. We might have been able to get away with that before, but not now. We’re in a different, and dangerous, moment. We're running out of time -- and we can't afford 4 more years of this.

    Politicians from both parties have made empty promises which will soon become broken promises--with painful consequences--if we fail to act now.

    I represent a part of America that includes inner cities, rural areas, suburbs and factory towns. Over the years I have seen and heard from a lot from families, from those running small businesses, and from people who are in need. But what I have heard lately troubles me the most. There is something different in their voice and in their words. What I hear from them are diminished dreams, lowered expectations, uncertain futures.

    I hear some people say that this is just "the new normal." High unemployment, declining incomes and crushing debt is not a new normal. It's the result of misguided policies. And next January, our economy will begin a comeback with the Romney Plan for a Stronger Middle Class that will lead to more jobs and more take home pay for working Americans.

    America is on the wrong track; but Mitt Romney and I will take the right steps, in the right time, to get us back on the right track!

    I believe my record of getting things done in Congress will be a very helpful complement to Governor Romney’s executive and private sector success outside Washington. I have worked closely with Republicans as well as Democrats to advance an agenda of economic growth, fiscal discipline, and job creation.

    I’m proud to stand with a man who understands what it takes to foster job creation in our economy, someone who knows from experience, that if you have a small business—you did build that.

    At Bain Capital, he launched new businesses and he turned around failing ones – companies like Staples, Bright Horizons and Sports Authority, just to name a few. Mitt Romney created jobs and showed he knows how a free economy works.

    At the Olympics, he took a failing enterprise and made it the pride of our entire nation.

    As governor of Massachusetts, he worked with Democrats and Republicans to balance budgets with no tax increases, lower unemployment, increase income and improve people’s lives.

    In all of these things, Mitt Romney has shown himself to be a man of achievement, excellence and integrity.

    Janna and I tell Liza, Charlie and Sam that America is a place where, if you work hard and play by the rules, you can get ahead.

    We Americans look at one another's success with pride, not resentment, because we know, as more Americans work hard, take risks, and succeed, more people will prosper, our communities will benefit, and individual lives will be improved and uplifted.

    But America is more than just a place...it's an idea. It's the only country founded on an idea. Our rights come from nature and God, not government. We promise equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

    This idea is founded on the principles of liberty, freedom, free enterprise, self-determination and government by consent of the governed.

    This idea is under assault. So, we have a critical decision to make as a nation.

    We are on an unsustainable path that is robbing America of our freedom and security. It doesn't have to be this way.

    The commitment Mitt Romney and I make to you is this:

    We won't duck the tough issues...we will lead!

    We won't blame others...we will take responsibility!

    We won't replace our founding principles...we will reapply them!

    We will honor you, our fellow citizens, by giving you the right and opportunity to make the choice:

    What kind of country do we want to have?

    What kind of people do we want to be?

    We can turn this thing around. Real solutions can be delivered. But, it will take leadership. And the courage to tell you the truth.

    Mitt Romney is this kind of leader. I'm excited for what lies ahead and I'm thrilled to be a part of America's Comeback Team. And together, we will unite America and get this done.

    Thank you.

     
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    Yeah, if anything, her personal ethics make the fit worse.

    And her beliefs stem from her ethics.

    Fruits of a poisonous tree.
     
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    It begins.

    http://www.catholics-united.org/

    Kiss goodbye to the Jewish and Catholic vote.
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    I don't think Ryan has renounced Ayn Rand. The ESPN trade machine still shows Ayn Rand's cap hold on Ryan's payroll. Where is BimaThug when you need him?
     
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    They were all the president's budgets. Republicans even asked Democrats what part they felt didn't reflect the president's budget and Democrats had no answers. End of story.
     
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    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...ale-behind-romneys-choice-of-ryan/#more-33035
     
  9. Anticope

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    So you think that a 52 page bill submitted to the House by the Republicans accurately reflected a nearly 2,000 page proposal put forth by the president? It was a dog & pony show done so that the Republicans would have this exact talking point that you are parroting right now.
     
  10. B-Bob

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    Wow, all these gilded age references aren't looking so overblown anymore. Good lord.

    I was kind of looking forward to a presidential race between two fairly centrist pragmatists.
     
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    The Ryan choice is great for the Obama team because it's going to bring the Ryan Budget and a lot of the key ideas that Republicans are drooling over (tax cuts for the rich, gigantic cuts to Medicare, unemplyoment benefits and possibly Social Security down the road, not touching the defense budget) more into the spotlight. Didn't his plan originally project a ridiculous unemployment rate of something like 2.9%? Also interesting that he supported Medicare Part D and the bailouts, so he might have to borrow Romney's etch-a-sketch in the coming months. I think it should also be pointed out that even though Ryan says he supports tax cuts to all income levels that he was against the payroll tax cut (a middle-class cut).
     
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    Yes. That's why the Dems couldn't point out what they wanted changed to more reflect OBama's budget. How about you ask yourself why the Dems didn't bring forth Obamas budget. Probably because it sucked and that's also why they didn't vote for it
     
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    So where is Obama's plan? There isn't one, because Obama didn't have the courage to take on the tough issues, instead choosing to sit back and attack the adults who were trying to solve the problem and offer solutions. It's galling that you lift up Medicare as a reason why Ryan is the devil, yet conveniently forget the slashes to Medicare that Obamacare brings -- $700 billion wasn't it?

    Paul Ryan's addition to the ticket will force a discussion of fiscal policy -- a discussion that a President who has racked up over $5 trillion of debt in 3 short years without even passing a budget really does not want to have.

    And let me throw one more wildcard out there -- if the stock market crashes in the next 2.5 months, which is certainly not outside of the realm of possibilty -- then Romney-Ryan waltz to victory. If you recall, this very phenomenon drove Obama to victory in 2008. Not saying it will happen, and certainly not rooting for it (given my sizable investments in stocks), but it's a wildcard. Obama-Biden is extraordinarily weak on fiscal policy and helping businesses -- there is simply no camouflaging that issue after these last 3 years.
     
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    just wow!
     
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    He didn't take on any tough issues? Healthcare? Financial reform? Agree or disagree on those, your statement that he has sat back and attacked is a bold-faced lie. Which side sat back and attacked when it came to healthcare? (Hint: not Obama) Your idea of compromise from the other side is for the Democrats to bow down to the Republicans' every demand. He has proposed extending the Bush Tax Cuts to 98% of Americans, yet, the Republicans are willing to let them expire for everyone if the top 2% aren't included. Every proposal that Democrats have put forward for deficit reduction has included primarily spending cuts, with some increased taxes for those who can afford it most. Unfortunately for the American people, the people who can afford it most are the ones behind the puppet show that is going on on the Republican side of the aisle.

    Right, because there hasn't been a discussion of fiscal policy already. This idea that balancing the budget (with draconian spending cuts at a time when many, many people are suffering) will somehow fix the economy is one of the biggest lies ever given to the American people. This, along with Paul Ryan's claim that the US is facing a "Greek style debt crisis," just goes to show who is actually out-of-touch in this argument.

    The stock market has doubled since Obama took office, so what was your point again? Oh that's right, just more fear-mongering from you. Nothing like fear-driven political drivel to get your point across! If Obama is as horrible as you claim he is, why hasn't Romney "waltzed to victory" already?
     
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    You can be against state coercion (as Rand was) without believing selfishness is a virtue (as Rand did).
     
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    ...but you can't be against private coercion because that makes you a socialist.
     
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    The Senate also rejected the House-passed budget sponsored by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), which failed on a 40-57 vote.
     
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    Link?
     
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    All of you guys back forth is pointless at this stage. Ryan's budget - which is his job to create that budget - isn't something even Republicans want. They vote for it knowing it will never get past the Senate.

    TJ and tallover - guys c'mon. We don't need these dumb talking points and propaganda points you bring up. Save it for the rubes you can influence. Here it's a waste of energy. We know better. We know how they are manufactured.

    The reality is I am very happy that Ryan was picked as VP. Because now the choice is very stark. It's not about the current economy, it's about the future of America. This election has more meaning than any before. Because people are no longer voting on candidates, they are voting on a path forward. Two very different paths.

    One path essentially will end entitlement programs as we know it, and fundamentally change the role of gov't - a role that accounts for 1/3 of our economy. I think we will see a lot of pain. Question is, will that pain be so severe that you end up with rioting and destabilization of society.

    The other path has its own problems in that it requires significant tax increases to make work and that is very undoable in the current environment. Without that, it is impossible to support our gov't and will lead to increase debt.

    But at least there is a choice, and hopefully, whomever wins, the other side will see it as a mandate of the people and actually try to compromise this time around.
     
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