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Romney to Reveal VP Choice Tomorrow (Saturday, August 11)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, Aug 10, 2012.

  1. bmb4516

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    Bless his heart, Obama better dump Biden. Ryan will wreck Biden in a debate. We're talking 2005 game 7 Mavericks/Rockets beat down level of destruction.
     
  2. Dubious

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    I maintain the race for the Presidency is just a loss leader for conservatives anyway. It's a sideshow to conservatives maintaining power in the House, where tax law is made. Picking Ryan reinforces that idea for me. He is a huge negative with independents on the national scene, but, putting him up on he pulpit allows conservatives to get their message out on the big stage so it becomes more mainstream 'sounding' by repetition. (much the same as it did during the nomination fight). On local levels, where conservatism plays, candidates can coat-tail onto Ryan's message to appear as a cohesive opposition party. Conservative Congressional candidates never want to run on their own platform, they want to run against Obama.

    I assume the wet dream of 47 PAC donors that run the GOP is to build the base in the House and run Ryan in 2016 as a conservative 'revolution'.

    I don't think anybody actually supports a Romney presidency or expects him to win against an incumbent. He is merely the sacrificial lamb in the Billionaires long game.
     
  3. mc mark

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    Just a quick reminder and a few highlights of Mr Ryan's past.

    After President Obama’s election in 2008, several top-ranking Republican officials, including Ryan, convened to craft an opposition strategy to save the GOP from complete obsolescence. The basic theory was to aggressively oppose Obama’s initiatives — deny him policy victories when possible, and to make those victories deeply unpopular when Obama managed to pass them.

    In that political milieu, and amid a climate of deep national uncertainty, Ryan crafted a contrasting vision: His budget plan represents a far-reaching vision for the country’s future that would dramatically reshape the government’s role in providing services for the elderly and the poor, funding public works and the general welfare.

    Most contentiously, Ryan proposed to phase out Medicare, and replace it with a private, subsidized health insurance system for seniors. But he also proposed to slash Medicaid and hand the entire program over to individual states, and reduce taxes, particularly on wealthy people, to near historic lows.

    Ryan’s budget endeared him to the conservative base, but it also drew many to believe he could never represent the party as a vice presidential nominee. By bucking that conventional wisdom, and further elevating Ryan, Romney has clarified the stakes of the 2012 election, and indelibly linked his party to an deeply unpopular policy vision — a vision that’s only politically feasible in an environment where a catastrophic recession has starved other issues of scrutiny.
     
  4. Dubious

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    Presentation, yes
    Content, no

    Buttoned up radicalism can be destroyed by a loose cannon who has 100 years of political precedent behind him. Give Biden the high moral ground of defending working people and he will make Ryan look like a selfish prick and toady of the rich.

    It's like those Nun's vs. the Pope in the battle of Catholic doctrine. Compassion always takes the high ground.
     
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  5. SamFisher

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    Gabe from the office scares me too!
     
  6. mc mark

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    Independents and moderates are scared of him too. This was a Koch Brothers pick.
     
  7. Lil Pun

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    Does this give Romney Wisconsin as well as any additional help in the midwest?
     
  8. Dubious

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    New campaign logo

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    Paul Ryan is the "intellectual" front of the Republican Party.

    Too bad his predisposition towards manufacturing fiscal cliffs, and fear-mongering on public debt (while not heeding private debt) are exactly what businesses don't need.

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/09/smallbusiness/fiscal-cliff/

     
  10. fchowd0311

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    well, at least he is more knowledgeable than the last republican vp candidate.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Obama has a 5 to 8 point lead in WI depending on the poll you are looking at. I would say Ryan probably gives Romney a slight bump in the state. Don't know if it will be enough to win though. But is it a good thing to win one state but lose a handful of other swing states?
     
  12. El_Conquistador

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    This is the type of adolescent argument that Romney and Ryan will rise above. Democrats talk to the American public like they are stupid. They try to demagogue and scare. They demonize and distort. Romney and Ryan will rise above this tsunami of negative and dishonest attacks and deliver honest, forward looking solutions to the American people.

    Romney and Ryan will restore honor to this race -- a race that the Obama campaign has drug into the gutter.
     
  13. mc mark

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    I wonder how many years of tax returns Ryan will release?
     
  14. Lil Pun

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    The Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of everything you accused just the Democrats above. Please look into the mirror.
     
  15. Dubious

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    So it begins

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  16. mc mark

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  17. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Ryan articulately captures the essence of this debate in describing the leadership of Romney-Ryan and the negativity, lies, distortions and lack of leadership from Obama.

    “Rather than building bridges, he’s poisoning wells,” the usually mild-mannered Mr. Ryan said. “Exploiting people’s emotions of fear, envy and anxiety is not hope; it’s not change. It’s partisanship. We don’t need partisanship. We don’t need demagoguery. We need solutions. And we don’t need to keep punting to other people to make tough decisions.”

    Obama had his chance to lead, and he ducked it. He chose to sit back and criticize Ryan's plan instead of leading.
     
  18. rimrocker

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    Uh, Ryan has flown out to personally speak at Koch brothers "strategy meetings."
     
  19. mc mark

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