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DONE DEAL: Dwight Howard to Lakers, Bynum to Philly, Iggy to DEN, Garbage to ORL

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SidDaKid, Aug 9, 2012.

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  1. Dubious

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    The All Star game was your compensation.
     
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  2. passdarock

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    I would like to know what the HOU deal was. If it was a very low offer, I will be :mad:. If the offer was fair, I will be :). If the offer was high, I will be :confused:, then :mad:.
     
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  3. DieHard Rocket

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    The NBA is going down the ****ter - started with the big three and now this.

    I wasn't that gung-ho on getting Dwight, but the price the Lakers paid combined with what the Magic received just reeks.

    You can't tell me Lamb, TOR pick, Jones/Patterson, and at least one more pick for Dwight wasn't far better than what they got. And I'm pretty convinced that Morey was offering at least that much at some point in this, plus the possibility of Martin for one of their other bad contracts.
     
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  4. Clutch

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    Maybe I'm just tired of the "we were robbed" talk and couldn't go another day where the Rockets used that excuse, but let's play along for a minute.

    Even in a worst case scenario where Mel Gibson's "Conspiracy Theory" character actually gets one right, that Dan Fegan pulled out a shotgun or whatever threat he used, it would only explain why Dwight Howard is in Los Angeles.

    It doesn't explain why Orlando would take Denver/Philly's offer for Bynum over Houston's.

    Orlando could have dumped Duhon on LA and gotten Bynum along with the lousy Lakers pick, then shipped Bynum to Houston. At that point, you're not dealing with Howard.

    In my view, Orlando chose the Sixers/Nuggets package over what Houston offered for Bynum. The Rockets can talk big now about what they offered because there's no way to prove it, just as there's no way to prove what they offered in past failed deals, but common sense seems to say Orlando liked what they got better than what Houston offered.

    TOTALLY guessing here, but I'd guess the Rockets offered the Toronto pick, Dallas pick, Kevin Martin, Terrence Jones, Morris-or-Patterson and would have taken back Richardson. That's definitely better than what Orlando got so perhaps for Bynum it wasn't even that good, but the Magic may have just liked Harkless (who went ahead of White and Jones) that much.
     
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  5. DonnyMost

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    Parity is good for the league. Superteams don't grow your game. The NFL wrote the book on this. Having the average American tune in to watch the Heat or Lakers is not good for the bottom line. What you need is for the average American to take interest in their local team, and feel as if they have a chance to compete. That builds die-hard fans, NBA fanatics for life. You want to create basketball fans, not Superteam fans.
     
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  6. ROXTXIA

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    I not only had this pegged, I'll re-iterate: all that Brooklyn Nets-only nonsense was a smokescreen. The Nets would have been fine for him, but DH wanted to avoid a backlash---make that a Shaq-lash?---for doing to the Magic what Shaq did 16-ish years ago. (LA did offer a ton more money then, but they could also afford it.)

    So, speaking of agents, this has all been one gigantic farce, with Fegan as the conductor.

    Didn't Hakeem say DH told him he had one destination in mind and it wasn't the Nets?
     
    #1426 ROXTXIA, Aug 10, 2012
  7. REDNINJA

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    How about rebuilding with three first round picks, two second round picks an expiring Kevin martin contract and young player to build around this year?
     
    #1427 REDNINJA, Aug 10, 2012
  8. pippendagimp

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    bynum is damaged goods. the fact that neither HOU or ORL was willing to take a chance on what is supposed to be 'the 2nd best center in the game' is proof enough that his knees are toast...
     
    #1428 pippendagimp, Aug 10, 2012
  9. phantoman

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    I agree with you, ORLANDO choose the deal - to me this deal isnt all the bad when you look beyond this year and next. ORL knew they werent going to clean house entirely but they were able to get rid of contracts they didnt want will adding contracts that they felt were of better value. Houston offer is good for immediate impact but I suspect that they wanted Harkless and Aflalo isn't a bad player.
     
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  10. mr. 13 in 33

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    I still don't think LA can beat OKC
     
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  11. passdarock

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    My guess is the Rockets low balled the offer. My question is, why wouldn't you go after the second best center in the league, if you can't get dwight? It seems the Rockets are only interested in marketing players and saving money. Winning games and championship is a distant third.

    my two cents
     
    #1431 passdarock, Aug 10, 2012
  12. jsmee2000

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    Well sub BLopez for Bynum and would agree too! So perhaps they really want to rebuild.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>If goal is to one day win title, you don't start the drive with BLopez. If you like 38-44, 8th seed for 4 years at $60 million, be my guest</p>&mdash; Brian K. Schmitz (@MagicInsider) <a href="https://twitter.com/MagicInsider/status/233945799971713024" data-datetime="2012-08-10T15:19:59+00:00">August 10, 2012</a></blockquote>
    <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
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  13. Clutch

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    I just don't think it's fair to play revisionist history and claim this was out of the Rockets' control, that they had a far and away better offer and Orlando simply ignored it. Orlando may be stupid, but they liked this deal better than what Houston offered.

    And I agree with you 100% -- I just hope ownership has truly lifted the short-term thinking mandate and the Rockets don't start making some Josh Smith/Al Jefferson type moves.
     
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  14. ROXTXIA

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    They wanted Harkless in the draft, if memory serves.

    Not to sound like the Rocket Guy, but maybe some of these guys don't like negotiating with Morey after all. Like some of the posters on here, he might have been dealing from a stance of, Only I have what you want.

    Then again, maybe Morey didn't want to pay that steep asking price to rent someone you can't re-sign or someone with knees akin to parchment.

    As JVG said anyway, These superstars tend to go where they want to go.

    This^
     
    #1434 ROXTXIA, Aug 10, 2012
  15. phantoman

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    my conspiracy theory
    They set themselves up to take jabari parker in the next 2 years. That is their reason for this trade....
     
    #1435 phantoman, Aug 10, 2012
  16. jsmee2000

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    Now if that happens...that would really suck!
     
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  17. Raven

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    Bill Simmons rips Orlando, and tosses a couple of barbs at Morey.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8254854/mailbag

     
    #1437 Raven, Aug 10, 2012
  18. REDNINJA

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    The second best center is Al Jefferson
     
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  19. passdarock

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    Damaged goods or not he is the 2nd best center in the league. You gotta make a run for him, even if it cost you a first round pick and some rotation players --see Philadelphia. I would argue, that ORL or HOU have been unable to capitalize on top players and that does not bode well on either franchise, not the player.

    BOOM!
     
    #1439 passdarock, Aug 10, 2012
  20. DonnyMost

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    Well, one thing is for sure, Morey's nuts are officially on the dresser.
     
    #1440 DonnyMost, Aug 10, 2012
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