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Who are the legitimate posters who lean to the right?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MrRoboto, Aug 9, 2012.

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Where do you consider yourself politically?

  1. Far Left

    6 vote(s)
    8.3%

  2. Middle Left

    27 vote(s)
    37.5%

  3. Centrist / Moderate

    16 vote(s)
    22.2%

  4. Middle Right

    21 vote(s)
    29.2%

  5. Far Right

    4 vote(s)
    5.6%

  6. Strictly Democrat

    3 vote(s)
    4.2%

  7. Strictly Republican

    4 vote(s)
    5.6%

  8. Strictly Libertarian

    3 vote(s)
    4.2%

  9. Strictly Green Party

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%

  10. Non Denominational / Not Politically Active

    7 vote(s)
    9.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
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  1. Carl Herrera

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    I lean to the right. Just ask my tailor.
     
    #21 Carl Herrera, Aug 10, 2012
  2. giddyup

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    Probably not. This kind of discussion is ruled by generalities. I was just spotting a trend. There are always going to be exceptions.

    The way "acceptable" right-leaning posters were being profile seemed a bit disingenuous. From the OP:

    "The typical characters representing the right have no substance and offer no intelligent discussion. Who are the atypical that I do not see as often? Those who are interested in honest intellectual debate and factual information instead of political rhetoric."

    That is a laughable premise.
     
    #22 giddyup, Aug 10, 2012
  3. MrRoboto

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    So you find Basso, texx and TJ to be valuable contributions to intelligent debate? You find them to be genuinely interested in engaging facts and able to view issues objectively?
     
    #23 MrRoboto, Aug 10, 2012
  4. giddyup

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    Their style is not my style but I would not dismiss them. The funniest thing is that you only see THEM as spouting party lines and being un-objective.
     
    #24 giddyup, Aug 10, 2012
  5. MrRoboto

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    Yes, I do.

    Do you not find them to fit the description in the OP?

    I personally have no party affiliation and consider myself conservative on a lot of topics while socially I feel the federal government should allow as much freedom as possible.

    Regardless of our political beliefs, I'm sure as human beings you and I could share a cup of coffee without being dicks - am I right? That is because despite our differences you are at least a real person and not playing an internet character from planet neo-con.

    I cannot say the same for the three I listed and as they are the most prevalent voices from the right on this board I find that disturbing. The OP was not disingenuous, it was a search for the balance that surely is here but of which I an unaware.
     
    #25 MrRoboto, Aug 10, 2012
  6. MrRoboto

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    I added a public poll for those who might be curious about your fellow DnD'ers and how they view themselves.

    It is multiple choice, so if more than one option applies go for it.
     
    #26 MrRoboto, Aug 10, 2012
  7. IzakDavid13

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    The problem is the instant label of 'intolerant bigot' when you disagree with a 'leftie'.

    It seems that the left is only tolerant of opinions that are in line with their way of thinking.
     
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  8. giddyup

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    Not really sure what you mean here but my fear is that you are disappointed that I've not moved my position. Surely you mean something more than that?

    In the course of a thread (a few days maybe unless it's about Trayvon Martin) no one is likely to change their mind about an issue. We almost need geologically-oriented time frames for those kinds of changes.

    It's a long series.
     
    #28 giddyup, Aug 10, 2012
  9. giddyup

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    Not really and certainly not to the extent that you (and others) portray them. Of course, they don't raise my hackles like they do for some of you so we have to grade on a curve I suppose.

    Those guys are slandered regularly and constantly. Yes, they bite back now and then (as I may) but emphasis is on back not bite.

    I put myself as Moderate Left and Moderate Right on your poll-- depending on the issue.

    No doubt you are right and people need to keep that uppermost in their mind. Many of us met TJ at the Smeg gathering a decade ago. He was just a very regular nice guy-- I've even seen Batman post the same kind of sentiment... although it may have faded over the years.

    I'm sure the same is true of basso and texx. I exchanged one email with basso about six years ago when he was thinking of going into some kind of music business and have had virtually no exchanges with texx or t_j. We are an out-of-touch team.

    I feel a certain kinship with guys like deckard and glynch (age factors I'm sure) but they post as if they can't stand me. Oh well.

    There is apparent intelligence in all their posts. It cannot be denied. Nor can it be denied that they are not above the occasional smarmy retort but they get it heaped on them constantly.

    Let ye who is without smarm cast the first stone!
     
    #29 giddyup, Aug 10, 2012
  10. Major

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    Why is this funny? Can you point to a single post anywhere in this forum over the past 4 years where bigtexxx or TJ said anything that was not the standard GOP party line?

    A legitimate poster will disagree with their party on issues. It's human nature - no one agrees with a party 100% of the time if they actually think for themselves. Most of the right-leaning posters mentioned here do that. Most of the left leaning posters here regularly criticize Obama on things like NDAA, privacy, Afghanistan, etc.

    When one is unable to do anything except regurgitate a political platform and act as a spokesman for their party, that's probably a pretty good definition of a worthless poster.
     
    #30 Major, Aug 10, 2012
  11. giddyup

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    Because it happens on "both sides of the aisle" but you all pretend that it is just a problem with/for the Right.
     
    #31 giddyup, Aug 10, 2012
  12. Major

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    Who are the posters here who only spout the Dem party line?
     
    #32 Major, Aug 10, 2012
  13. MrRoboto

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    Typically their posts are to bait - in respect to Basso and TJ that is the sole purpose and unfortunately Texx has decided to follow their lead. The quality of posts declining accordingly.

    It is understandable the grief they receive when it is exactly this grief that they strive to incite.

    While some take the bait and get their hackles raised, the majority seem to take it for what it is.


    And that is why I do not consider you as one who fits the description in the OP. While you and have different views on things, I have no doubt that you are a real person and are honestly portraying your beliefs. That is the difference between you and the entities described in the OP.

    These are welcome statements. I think in the passion of political debate, especially on the internet, people make statements that they shouldn't to fellow humans. Obviously this criticism is extended to myself just as much as to anyone else on here.

    Civility in debate can exist - but if the debate is coming from a dishonest source then civility is too easy to suspend.

    I do not agree with your assessment of the ones who clutter up this place with partisan rhetoric and only debate from a dishonest two-dimensional point of view.

    Basso, for instance, rarely engages in debate and instead trolls with links to outside sources; preventing him from doing the dirty work of speaking or thinking for himself.

    TJ at least types his own words. However those words come from a partisan perspective that leaves no room for objective analysis of the facts. To the point where lies are repeated simply to continue his roll. He is the Colbert of the DnD. He knows his character and rarely steps outside of those self induced boundaries. That can be entertaining, but is not a source of intelligent debate or knowledge.

    Texx is simply a copycat trying to ride on both of their coattails. Unfortunately it is like the less intelligent red neck racist version which is not nearly as entertaining. Just ask my friend Moo Moo Gai Pan.

    While this is a source of entertainment for them, it does nothing to enrich my knowledge which should be the point of intelligent debate, correct?
     
    #33 MrRoboto, Aug 10, 2012
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  14. ima_drummer2k

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    Philosophically, I'm still a conservative. But I'm not nearly as proud to say that as I used to be because of what's happened to the movement over the last 4 or 5 years (birthers, tea party, Palin, etc.)

    I think Obama winning the election sent the Republican party off the deep end. It would be great if someone would emerge over the next 4 years to take back the party from these tea bagger idiots and make it legitimate again.

    Until that happens, I'm sort of like Yoda. "Into exile, I must go."
     
    #34 ima_drummer2k, Aug 10, 2012
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  15. rimrocker

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    Labels have lost all meaning these days as the scholarly definitions of words like liberal and conservative and moderate and Liberal and Conservative have fallen prey to the propaganda and misuse.

    My political views, a mix of liberal and conservative (small letters) with the ultimate result being a moderate Democrat, haven't changed that much over the years, but the labels and the issues those labels are attached to have changed greatly over my lifetime.
     
    #35 rimrocker, Aug 10, 2012
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    ToyCen.
     
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  17. giddyup

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    mc mark for one. I never see him get criticized from anyone anywhere left of the Far Right-- except me, of course!

    And even then, I have nothing but affection for the guy. Zero ill will like I see openly aimed at basso, texxx and T_J.

    Honestly, I just don't think The Left sees how nasty they are on an ongoing basis, a problem which I attribute to political self-righteousness.

    I'm sure they are different in real life.
     
    #37 giddyup, Aug 10, 2012
  18. giddyup

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    If you feel that is a problem, do not respond but rather RE-DIRECT.
     
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  19. MrRoboto

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    I do not feel this is a problem - I accept it for what it is. Valueless.

    It is concerning that posters such as yourself take them seriously. That is a scenario that I did not believe could possibly exist among the rational, but to each is own.
     
    #39 MrRoboto, Aug 10, 2012
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    Only different because they tend to be the introverted type.
     
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