Kobe: "I'm where everybody wants to get to. I just happen to be still playing"

goodbug · Aug 9, 2012

Thunders were better than every team Kobe faced? Obviously you didn't watch Spurs and Kings in early 2000s, or Celtics in 2008 and 2010. You are so ignorant it's not worth arguing.

LeBron won 1 with more help vs. lesser teams. Kobe won 5 with less help vs. better teams. And somehow LeBron is at Kobe's level already.
If that's not ass kissing, I don't know what is.

getbloodyred said: ↑

i've never heard that argument in my life. if you want to criticize a fan base, don't do it with that condescending attitude. you know that lebron had a better season last year than kobe..then again kobe is aging. lebron is the best player in the NBA right now, and you know that for a fact. i don't give a **** about payrolls, but if you honstly want to talk about lebron and the help he got and kobe and the help he got let's talk.

let's start with the first ring. shaq at the time was the BEST CENTER IN THE LEAGUE. hell he was the BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. after shaq and kobe, there wasn't a lot of talent, maybe glen rice. so kobe had the help of the best player in the NBA.
second ring. same exact scenario as the first one, except no glen rice, instead derek fisher and horace grant were the other contributors.
thrid ring, same scenario as the second ring.
4th ring, kobe, still not the best player in the NBA, had the help of pau gasol, andrew bynum, and lamar odom in his conquest for the 4th ring.
5th ring, same as the fourth, with the addition of ron artest.

now that's the help, let's look at opponents.
1st ring, that pacers team was not that great, an aged reggie miller, and jalen rose, the average NBA star, in his prime. no big presence to stop shaq. lakers were clearly the better team
2nd ring, allen iverson. that's it, no one else. shaq had his field day, and kobe had his as well. no realy threat from that sixers team.
3rd ring, the nets were a very good team, well rounder. but no star player to really stop kobe or shaq. lakers sweeped the nets, proving that the nets weren't that great.
4th ring, orlando magic. good team, very deep and d12 was the best center in the NBA. but d12's suporting cast was not that efficient. lakers were clearly better.
5th ring, the best team that kobe faced in the finals, without a doubt. and they were all aging former all-stars. rondo, was beginning to make a name for himself. but besides him, they were all just shells of their former selves.

now looking at lebron's first ring
had the help of bosh and wade. wade was averaging 22 points, so he was playing at kobe's level during kobe's first championship. chris bosh, obviously a big impact on the team, 18 ppg. but he was also injured during the playoffs, and lebron still managed to beat the pacers and force the celtics to a game 7 w/o bosh. bosh would go on to have a very big impact on that game 7, and in the Finals.

now looking at lebron's opponent
the thunder. extremely talented team. kevin durant, the best scorer in the NBA at 23, russel westbrook, one the best point guards in the NBA. james harden, a great scorer coming off the bench. and the thunder bench, amazing chemistry.
it's safe to say that the thunder were better than any team that kobe faced in his 5 championships.

so after looking at everything, lebron had a little bit more help than kobe did. but the thunder were an immensly talented team that i think, were better than anyone kobe faced. and when kobe faced them, he got beat, badly.
and btw, lebron had more help, but he is so good at contributing on offense, that i think lebron made his teammates better. i doubt wade would be averaging 22 w/o lebron, bosh played well, so i'll give bosh the benefit of the doubt. but any other player on that team that helped miami, they only played well because of lebron.
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QazQay · Aug 9, 2012

IMO both LeBron and Durant right now are better players than Kobe ever was.

clippy · Aug 9, 2012

QazQay said: ↑

IMO both LeBron and Durant right now are better players than Kobe ever was.
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You speak the truth. In LeBron's case, he's been better than Kobe ever was since his 2nd year in the league, but he was on such a bad club for so long he got overshadowed. Then he moves to a team that finally has some talent, gets to the Finals in the first year, wins the 2nd year, and begins what will likely be a dynasty now. Kobe knows this and is desperately trying to cling onto whatever he has left in his twilight years by making outlandish statements, but his play is really the one doing the talking. Hopefully coach K will be smart enough to sit him if one of these games ever really gets close. LMAO @Kobe not even being able to crack 50% when surrounded by superstars and playing crappy competition (he didn't in 2008 either).

Most overrated player in NBA history and as time goes on and the generation of Kobe ballriders fades away, this truth will come out .

Dave_78 · Aug 9, 2012

Words from a man insecure about his ranking among active players and fearful of the day he can no longer play the game professionally. Shaquille started doing this too altering his career. Unfortunately for Kobe, people can see he is no longer in the conversation for best player in the world.

Dave_78 · Aug 9, 2012

Dave_78 said: ↑

Words from a man insecure about his ranking among active players and fearful of the day he can no longer play the game professionally. Shaquille started doing this too altering his career. Unfortunately for Kobe, people can see he is no longer in the conversation for best player in the world.
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damn iPad. Late in his career

dkamberi25 · Aug 9, 2012

QazQay said: ↑

IMO both LeBron and Durant right now are better players than Kobe ever was.
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That's a pretty bold statement to make. With LeBron you can make the arguement, but there is no way anyone can say Durant is better then Kobe ever was. That's just absurd.

nebula955 · Aug 9, 2012

So because Kobe beat a team badly, his competition sucks? A bit biased there isn't it?
Even if that were somehow true, here's a crucial point you never mentioned: Lakers played in the West. There were several very good teams in conference playoffs that they had to beat in most of those championships.

getbloodyred said: ↑

i've never heard that argument in my life. if you want to criticize a fan base, don't do it with that condescending attitude. you know that lebron had a better season last year than kobe..then again kobe is aging. lebron is the best player in the NBA right now, and you know that for a fact. i don't give a **** about payrolls, but if you honstly want to talk about lebron and the help he got and kobe and the help he got let's talk.

let's start with the first ring. shaq at the time was the BEST CENTER IN THE LEAGUE. hell he was the BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. after shaq and kobe, there wasn't a lot of talent, maybe glen rice. so kobe had the help of the best player in the NBA.
second ring. same exact scenario as the first one, except no glen rice, instead derek fisher and horace grant were the other contributors.
thrid ring, same scenario as the second ring.
4th ring, kobe, still not the best player in the NBA, had the help of pau gasol, andrew bynum, and lamar odom in his conquest for the 4th ring.
5th ring, same as the fourth, with the addition of ron artest.

now that's the help, let's look at opponents.
1st ring, that pacers team was not that great, an aged reggie miller, and jalen rose, the average NBA star, in his prime. no big presence to stop shaq. lakers were clearly the better team
2nd ring, allen iverson. that's it, no one else. shaq had his field day, and kobe had his as well. no realy threat from that sixers team.
3rd ring, the nets were a very good team, well rounder. but no star player to really stop kobe or shaq. lakers sweeped the nets, proving that the nets weren't that great.
4th ring, orlando magic. good team, very deep and d12 was the best center in the NBA. but d12's suporting cast was not that efficient. lakers were clearly better.
5th ring, the best team that kobe faced in the finals, without a doubt. and they were all aging former all-stars. rondo, was beginning to make a name for himself. but besides him, they were all just shells of their former selves.

now looking at lebron's first ring
had the help of bosh and wade. wade was averaging 22 points, so he was playing at kobe's level during kobe's first championship. chris bosh, obviously a big impact on the team, 18 ppg. but he was also injured during the playoffs, and lebron still managed to beat the pacers and force the celtics to a game 7 w/o bosh. bosh would go on to have a very big impact on that game 7, and in the Finals.

now looking at lebron's opponent
the thunder. extremely talented team. kevin durant, the best scorer in the NBA at 23, russel westbrook, one the best point guards in the NBA. james harden, a great scorer coming off the bench. and the thunder bench, amazing chemistry.
it's safe to say that the thunder were better than any team that kobe faced in his 5 championships.

so after looking at everything, lebron had a little bit more help than kobe did. but the thunder were an immensly talented team that i think, were better than anyone kobe faced. and when kobe faced them, he got beat, badly.
and btw, lebron had more help, but he is so good at contributing on offense, that i think lebron made his teammates better. i doubt wade would be averaging 22 w/o lebron, bosh played well, so i'll give bosh the benefit of the doubt. but any other player on that team that helped miami, they only played well because of lebron.
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getbloodyred · Aug 9, 2012

goodbug said: ↑

Thunders were better than every team Kobe faced? Obviously you didn't watch Spurs and Kings in early 2000s, or Celtics in 2008 and 2010. You are so ignorant it's not worth arguing.

LeBron won 1 with more help vs. lesser teams. Kobe won 5 with less help vs. better teams. And somehow LeBron is at Kobe's level already.
If that's not ass kissing, I don't know what is.
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im talking about the finals. the thunder are better than any team that kobe beat in the finals. and the celtics were best kobe ever faced, im pretty sure i mentioned that. regardless 2010 celtics wouldn't beat the 2011 thunder. if you want me to prove that to you, i will.
so yea, lebron won 1 with same amount of help vs better team. kobe won 5 with same help, vs lesser teams.
i honestly don't think there's anything wrong with saying lebron is at kobe's level. i mean sure, lebron's career is still techinically young, but i think he is at kobe's level already. kobe is a better scorer than lebron, but lebron does EVERYTHING ELSE BETTER. and lebron doesn't suck on offense either, he could average 32, 33 points per game if he wanted to, but he chooses to help teammates more.

getbloodyred · Aug 9, 2012

nebula955 said: ↑

So because Kobe beat a team badly, his competition sucks? A bit biased there isn't it?
Even if that were somehow true, here's a crucial point you never mentioned: Lakers played in the West. There were several very good teams in conference playoffs that they had to beat in most of those championships.
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how is that in any way biased? kobe played lesser competetition than lebron did in the finals. if the rockets beat the bobcats and beat the heat. which one will be more impressive? that may be an extreme example because the bobcats suck, lol, but you understand my point. lesser competition makes it easier to win and lesser competition is less impressive when comparing teams and players.
you make a good point there about the western conference, with teams like san antonio and kings in the early 2000s, but it's not like miami just walked through the playoffs. the celtics were a great team, the pacers gave miami a run for their money without bosh. if chicago had derrick rose, it would been much tougher obviously, but drose wasn't there.
i understand your point, and you're right SAS and SAC were amazing teams that Kobe had to face during the three-peat, but the thing is, kobe wasn't even the best player on the Lakers at that time, this guy named Shaquille O'Neal was. if Kobe had been the main man on the Lakers and there was no Shaq, i honestly doubt the Lakers would have beat those elite teams.

devin23 · Aug 9, 2012

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LMAO!!

SacTown · Aug 9, 2012

QazQay said: ↑

IMO both LeBron and Durant right now are better players than Kobe ever was.
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I'm a big Kobe supporter, but I agree with this statement.

redwhiteone · Aug 10, 2012

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