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What is Romney Hiding?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rashmon, Jul 3, 2012.

  1. Deckard

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    I think he does. He no longer cares.
     
  2. Rashmon

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    I won't even mention the secret bombing of Cambodia...

    Articles of Impeachment:

    RESOLVED, That Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment to be exhibited to the Senate:

    ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT EXHIBITED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THE NAME OF ITSELF AND OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AGAINST RICHARD M. NIXON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT OF ITS IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANOURS.

    Article 1: Obstruction of Justice.

    In his conduct of the office of the President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that: On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his subordinates and agents in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede and obstruct investigations of such unlawful entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities. The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan have included one or more of the following:

    (1) Making or causing to be made false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States.

    (2) Withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States.

    (3) Approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counseling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings.

    (4) Interfering or endeavoring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force and congressional committees.

    (5) Approving, condoning, and acquiescing in, the surreptitious payments of substantial sums of money for the purpose of obtaining the silence or influencing the testimony of witnesses, potential witnesses or individuals who participated in such unlawful entry and other illegal activities.

    (6) Endeavoring to misuse the Central Intelligence Agency, an agency of the United States.

    (7) Disseminating information received from officers of the Department of Justice of the United States to subjects of investigations conducted by lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States for the purpose of aiding and assisting such subjects in their attempts to avoid criminal liability.

    (8) Making false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation has been conducted with respect to allegation of misconduct on the part of personnel of the Executive Branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct; or

    (9) Endeavoring to cause prospective defendants, and individuals duly tried and convicted, to expect favored treatment and consideration in return for their silence or false testimony, or rewarding individuals for their silence or false testimony.

    In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

    Wherefore Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

    (Approved by a vote of 27-11 by the House Judiciary Committee on Saturday, July 27, 1974.)

    Article 2: Abuse of Power.

    Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, imparting the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposes of these agencies.
    This conduct has included one or more of the following:

    (1) He has, acting personally and through his subordinated and agents, endeavored to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposes not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigation to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

    (2) He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; he did direct, authorize, or permit the use of information obtained thereby for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; and he did direct the concealment of certain records made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of electronic surveillance.

    (3) He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, authorized and permitted to be maintained a secret investigative unit within the office of the President, financed in part with money derived from campaign contributions to him, which unlawfully utilized the resources of the Central Intelligence Agency, engaged in covert and unlawful activities, and attempted to prejudice the constitutional right of an accused to a fair trial.

    (4) He has failed to take care that the laws were faithfully executed by failing to act when he knew or had reason to know that his close subordinates endeavored to impede and frustrate lawful inquiries by duly constituted executive; judicial and legislative entities concerning the unlawful entry into the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, and the cover-up thereof, and concerning other unlawful activities including those relating to the confirmation of Richard Kleindienst as attorney general of the United States, the electronic surveillance of private citizens, the break-in into the office of Dr. Lewis Fielding, and the campaign financing practices of the Committee to Re-elect the President.

    (5) In disregard of the rule of law: he knowingly misused the executive power by interfering with agencies of the executive branch: including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Criminal Division and the Office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force of the Department of Justice, in violation of his duty to take care that the laws by faithfully executed.

    In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

    Wherefore Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

    (Approved 28-10 by the House Judiciary Committee on Monday, July 29, 1974.)

    Article 3: Contempt of Congress.

    In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, contrary to his oath faithfully to execute the office of the President of the United States, and to the best of his ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, had failed without lawful cause or excuse, to produce papers and things as directed by duly authorized subpoenas issued by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives, on April 11, 1974, May 15, 1974, May 30, 1974, and June 24, 1974, and willfully disobeyed such subpoenas. The subpoenaed papers and things were deemed necessary by the Committee in order to resolve by direct evidence fundamental, factual questions relating to Presidential direction, knowledge or approval of actions demonstrated by other evidence to be substantial grounds for impeachment of the President. In refusing to produce these papers and things, Richard M. Nixon, substituting his judgement as to what materials were necessary for the inquiry, interposed the powers of the Presidency against the lawful subpoenas of the House of Representatives, thereby assuming to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by Constitution in the House of Representatives.

    In all this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

    Wherefore, Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial and removal from office.

    (Approved 21-17 by the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, July 30, 1974.)
     
  3. Northside Storm

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    Also, I loled at the irony of decrying the lack of transparency of White House security leaks.
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    Congratulate her for me, I just received my MBA, I can relate to being a fresh graduate.

    If you are talking about Skeeters, I agree, great breakfast buffet. Unfortunately, I just can't afford to be eating out (especially since if I were to make it happen, I would have to bring the wife and kids, I have to deal with internal politics ;) ), but my offer to cook pancakes stands, I would be happy to host you for breakfast.

    No, the difference is that Nixon ordered a criminal act and committed more to cover it up. The only people who have alleged criminal activity on the part of Obama's administration are lying partisans, nobody has even alleged that Obama knew about F&F.

    Yes, everything except the felonies. :rolleyes:

    Wow, you believe some really nasty liars.
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    "During his losing Senate run against Ted Kennedy Romney demanded that Ted Kennedy provide his tax returns on the basis of the public's right to know:

    "It's time the biggest-taxing senator in Washington shows the people of Massachusetts how much he pays in taxes," Romney said in April of 1994, according to a report in the Boston Globe."

    link
     
  6. mc mark

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    Now why would Romney want to keep the news cycle going on his taxes?

    Romney Calls On Reid To Reveal His Source

    Mitt Romney on Tuesday called upon Harry Reid to reveal his source that claims Romney paid zero taxes over the previous 10 years, saying that the Senate Majority Leader has “lost a lot of credibility.”

    “I don’t really believe that he’s got any kind of a credible source,” Romney told Fox News. “I don’t know who gave him this line of reasoning, whether it came from the White House or the DNC or a staffer, but he ought to say where it came from, and then we can find out whether that person has any credibility. I know they don’t.”
     
  7. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Need more facts, Mittens.
     
  8. Invisible Fan

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    I'd enjoy it if Romney pulled a rope-a-dope and releases a squeaky clean tax record at the height of the campaign season.

    Of course, his campaign hasn't really pulled off any foresight or panache to promote any expectation to think he could.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    Not really possible. You've got to figure the best case scenario at this point is like the returns he DID release (after getting hammered in the GOPrimaries) and he's only paying 15%.

    Not a very good thing to have rear its head again when your primary goal as a candidate is the idea that rich people have to pay too many taxes.
     
  10. Rocketman95

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    I don't think this is possible.
     
  11. glynch

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    Hey, I want to go to breakfast. Thumbs and I will pick up the bill for you, -- forget the kids. You know Thumbs has the bucks. All those old Republicans do.
     
  12. Ashes

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    Lol wait, what?
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yeah he is going to let the damage be done now and then release them latter - very wise campaign strategy.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    Hey now...job creators have families to feed and 10% tithes to pay to a nebulous and opaque religious organization.

    Still, the way the O camp have swift boated Romney's main selling point while deflecting criticism that Romney could manage the economy like he's managed Bain has been executed well enough to make me disgusted by it. They're piecing together a narrative that would make Rove proud.
     
  15. thumbs

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    Naw, all the lawyers wind up with the big bucks. However, I think I can spring for the gladiator's breakfast if he will give me a second chance. I was so beat from 18 hours of sitting (car, restaurant, pre-ceremony, ceremony, restaurant and trip back) I just didn't want to get out of bed the next morning. Anyway, just name the breakfast spot for next Sunday morning (I have dialysis on Saturday morning).
     
  16. ROXTXIA

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    I thought of the 1st possibility.

    But I've done enough reading now to know that this probably isn't the case.

    "Criminal", I don't know if I'd go that far. But if there was ever a tax loophole, he's found it. A guy that rich paying next to nothing in taxes, and hiding the fact, just doesn't look good.
     
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    Precisely why we need tax reform -- not more loopholes or complexity -- tax reform. Again, I say, adopt a graduated flat tax with no shelters and precious few deductions.
     
  18. Rashmon

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    When the Italians accuse you of shady tax dodges...

    Romney Persona Non Grata in Italy for Bain’s Deal Skirting Taxes
    By Jesse Drucker, Elisa Martinuzzi and Lorenzo Totaro - Aug 5, 2012 11:01 PM CT

    That’s because Bain Capital, under Romney as chief executive officer, made about $1 billion in a leveraged buyout 12 years ago that remains controversial in Italy to this day. Bain was part of a group that bought a telephone-directory company from the Italian government and then sold it about two years later, at the peak of the technology bubble, for about 25 times what it paid.

    Bain funneled profits through subsidiaries in Luxembourg, a common corporate strategy for avoiding income taxes in other European countries, according to documents reviewed by Bloomberg News. The buyer, Italy’s biggest telephone company, now has a total market value less than what it paid Bain and other investors for the directory business.

    In Italy, the deals have spurred at least three books, separate legal and regulatory probes and newspaper columns alleging investors made a fortune at the expense of Italian taxpayers. Boston-based Bain wasn’t a subject of the inquiries, which didn’t result in any charges.

    The sale of the government’s directory business is “a dark chapter in the country’s privatization history, one that has hurt Italians deeply,” said Bernardo Bortolotti, an economics professor at Turin University who advised the Italian Treasury on asset sales from 2002 through 2005. “It was a mistake from the start, damaged by a lack of transparency and the use of offshore funds.”

    Personally Involved
    While few ordinary Italians realize the link between Romney and the investor group, the deal symbolizes Italy’s economic woes and government futility as the nation struggles to convince investors that it can repay Europe’s second-largest debt without a bailout. The economy is in its fourth recession since 2001 and unemployment is at a 13-year high.

    Romney himself probably earned more than $50 million, and possibly as much as $60 million from the Italian directory sale of Seat Pagine Gialle SpA, according to a person familiar with the matter. The deal turned into one of the biggest windfalls of his tenure.

    “With this investment, Mitt Romney and Bain Capital, with its consortium partners, partnered with a new management team to transform this company, and grow it into a tremendous success,” said Michele Davis, a spokeswoman for Romney’s presidential campaign. “Mitt Romney is running for President to put that experience to work.”
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    Read the rest at the link in the headline.
     
  19. Dubious

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    You can say whatever you want, but the lawyers are not going to reform 100 years of tax law. For one thing, every change in the code has it's uncertainties and unintended consequences.
     
  20. thumbs

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    Let the buyer beware. Sounds like a sweet business deal to me -- even sweeter if the Luxembourg funnel was common place and legal.

    I wonder if we will ever know how much money Obama laundered through Solyndra and other sweetheart deals.
     

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