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[ClutchFans] Houston Rockets Salary Cap Update: "Total Rebuild" Edition

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, Jul 25, 2012.

  1. Broford

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    You arent thinking things through.

    This isn't a new idea, this is the only idea.
     
  3. nono

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    It wouldn't have hurt them except New York suddenly got money-conscious and declined to match offer sheets for Fields and Jeremy Lin. Kudos to the new CBA here, as it seemed to be a genuine deterrent, but the Knicks also wrong-footed themselves by making the Kidd and Camby moves first -- they're paying just as much for Kidd and Raymond Felton as they would have for Lin, for instance.

    Fortunately, as noted above, the free-agent game remains slanted in New York's favor. Brewer signed for the minimum, giving them a stopper to replace the injured Iman Shumpert. He'll likely provide more value than Camby, Kidd or Felton this season.

    Nonetheless, the Knicks are left with a half-baked strategy of spending whatever it takes until they abruptly decided to stop. It's not clear how they'll fix their backcourt until some other veteran free agent agrees to a below-market deal next summer.
     
  4. rocketjunkie

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    Bima,

    With respect to the non-guaranteed contracts that the Rockets currently have (Livingston ($3.5 million, only $1 million of which is guaranteed), Smith ($762,195, of which 50% is guaranteed), Fortson ($762,195, non-guaranteed), Simpson ($762,195, non-guaranteed), Harrellson ($762,195, non-guaranteed if waived by August 15)), am I right in understanding that if we do a trade with ORL and those contracts are included for salary matching purposes, then ORL can immediately turn around and cut those players, and therefore realize the cap effect (ie, not use cap space) relating to those players?
     
  5. BimaThug

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    That is correct.

    That's why none of those guys has been waived yet. They can be used in trades and can bring back up to 150% + $100,000 under the salary-matching rules of the new CBA. The Rockets can either use those contracts in trades or just waive them to create additional cap room to take on more incoming salary.

    Just another way in which the Rockets possess cap flexibility right now.
     
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  6. Pete the Cheat

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    Bima,

    I was hoping you could validate my math on a previous post (see below). While not directly related to Houston's cap situation currently, the additional amount of money a team with Dwight's bird rights can offer is obviously of significant interest.

    I have seen the $30MM amount thrown around...and as Clutchfans designated CBA guru, I was hoping you could help dispel the use of this number (if my assumptions below are correct).


     
  7. Rox>Mavs

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    Hey Pete, quick question...this comparison assumes Howard leaves for FA next year, but does it also assume he'd leave for FA at the end of that contract too (meaning leaving his Bird Right Max deal again for another team as a FA)?

    What would the number be if he left for FA this next year but resigned at the max with that same team (retaining his bird rights) after his initial contract expired?
     
  8. BimaThug

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    WARNING: LONG POST; MAY CAUSE DROWSINESS.

    Skip to "Bottom Line:" if you want the quick answer.


    Dwight Howard's 2012-13 salary is $19,536,360.

    Howard's 2013-14 starting salary can be up to (but not more than) $20,513,178. This represents a 5% increase from his 2012-13 salary. Players who make above the league's designated maximum player's salary (depending on years of service) cannot receive a starting salary in excess of 105% of their prior year's salary.

    THIS was one of the primary motivating (financial) factors in Dwight deciding to waive his Early Termination Option rather than be traded to a team for which he was unsure if he'd want to play the following season. Had he actually opted out, his maximum starting salary would have been $18,996,359; and it would have cost him several millions of dollars over the course of his next deal.

    By my calculations, whichever team holds Howard's Bird rights at the end of the 2012-13 season can re-sign him for up to five years at a maximum contract value of about $117,950,770, broken down as follows:

    Year 1 (2013-14): $20,513,178
    Year 2 (2014-15): $22,051,666
    Year 3 (2015-16): $23,590,154
    Year 4 (2016-17): $25,128,642
    Year 5 (2017-18): $26,667,130

    (The annual raises are based on 7.5% of Dwight's starting salary, or about $1,538,488.)

    Meanwhile, no other team could offer Howard more than four years at a maximum contract value of about $87,591,270, broken down as follows:

    Year 1 (2013-14): $20,513,178
    Year 2 (2014-15): $21,436,271
    Year 3 (2015-16): $22,359,364
    Year 4 (2016-17): $23,282,457

    (The annual raises are based on 4.5% of Dwight's starting salary, or about $923,093.)


    Hypothetically speaking, barring any changes to maximum player salaries in the next CBA, the impact of this difference would be felt in Howard's NEXT contract (AFTER the one described above) would be as follows:

    Had Dwight signed a five-year deal in 2013 and does not opt out of that deal, then in 2018, Howard should be able to sign another contract paying him a starting salary in 2018-19 of $28,000,487 (or 105% of his 2017-18 salary). Ironically, by signing a five-year deal in 2013--making Dwight 32 years old when he comes up for his next contract, any five-year deal at his age would become subject to the league's "Over-36 Rule", which is a complicated rule designed to close a loophole in which teams sign players nearing retirement to ludicrous contracts, knowing that they will never play long enough to earn that money.

    (If you REALLY want to know more about the "Over-36 Rule", you can find it here: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q56)

    In order to avoid the consequences of the "Over-36 Rule" (and, believe me, they'll need to avoid them in a max contract situation), Dwight's next contract in THIS context (i.e., after completing a five-year deal in 2018) would be no longer than a FOUR-year deal (and assuming that he is re-signing with the team holding his Bird rights at that time) at a maximum contract value of about $124,602,170, broken down as follows:

    Year 1 (2018-19): $28,000,487
    Year 2 (2019-20): $30,100,524
    Year 3 (2020-21): $32,200,561
    Year 4 (2021-22): $34,300,598

    (The annual raises are based on 7.5% of Dwight's starting salary, or about $2,100,037.)

    Meanwhile, assuming that the "other team" that signs Dwight to a four-year deal in 2013 retains his Bird rights and then desires to re-sign him to a max contract again in 2017, they CAN sign Howard to a new five-year deal, without regards to the "Over-36 Rule", since Dwight (who would be 31 years old in 2017) would not be subject to the rule in this context. However, his starting salary on such a five-year deal would "only" be about $24,446,580 (or 105% of his 2016-17 salary), making for a maximum contract value of about $140,567,808, broken down as follows:

    Year 1 (2017-18): $24,446,580
    Year 2 (2018-19): $26,280,074
    Year 3 (2019-20): $28,113,536
    Year 4 (2020-21): $29,947,062
    Year 5 (2021-22): $31,780,556

    (The annual raises are based on 7.5% of Dwight's starting salary, or about $1,833,494.)


    Bottom Line: For Dwight Howard to walk away from the team holding his Bird rights in 2013, he would be leaving on the table up to the following amounts:

    Over the next five years: Up to $30,359,500 (if Dwight's career is cut short before the 2017-18 season) but at least $5,912,920 (assuming Dwight signs a super-max contract with another team and then re-ups in 2017 for another super-max contract).

    Over the next nine years (essentially, the remainder of his productive playing career): At the very least, about $14,393,862 (again, assuming that Dwight signs two consecutive super-max contracts with the other team). THIS IS A BEST CASE SCENARIO for Dwight if he bolts as an unrestricted free agent in 2013. The likelihood is that Howard will lose far more than this amount over the course of his career if he doesn't re-sign with the team holding his Bird rights in 2013.
     
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  9. Rox>Mavs

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    Great info Bima, I feel more educated already.

    So am I understanding this right. Dwight would stand to lose about $30 mil if he didn't resign with the team who has his bird rights at the end of 2013, but only $14 mil if he walked to another team in 2013, but resigned with that team in 2017 after his 4 year deal was up?

    So IF Dwight could walk to another team and either resigned with them at the end of this next contract OR were to get traded to a team he would resign with sometime between 2013-2017 he'd only be losing out on $14mil and not the $56 mil projected by some others on this board?

    That's a hefty difference unless I'm not understanding you right. How do you think he would lose a lot more than that if he didn't resign with the team that has his bird rights at the end of 2013?
     
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    The effective difference is over $57 million over the course of 10 years.
     
  11. BimaThug

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    The numbers in my "Bottom Line" (i.e., $5.9 million through five years and $14.3 million through nine years) represent the ABSOLUTE BEST CASE SCENARIO for Howard, as far as how little he'll miss out on if he doesn't re-sign with the team holding his Bird rights in 2013. Those figures were not intended to be taken as any sort of justification for Dwight wanting to bolt to another team in 2013.

    The fact is, it is highly questionable whether Dwight Howard will be worthy of--or if any NBA team would be willing to sign him to--a "super-DUPER-max" contract in 2017. By that time, the current CBA will have likely taken a drastic toll on player salaries as a whole. For a team to be willing to offer a 31-year-old Dwight Howard a five-year deal worth over $140 million is not an assumption that anyone should be making.

    The only (relatively) safe assumption one can make is that Dwight would lose out on over $30 million in total contract value in 2013 by signing for the max with another team versus signing for the max with the team holding his Bird rights. Dwight could make SOME (but not all) of that money back based on the starting salary of his contract in 2017. His absolute best case scenario (signing a "super-DUPER-max" contract) would have him coming up about $5.9 million short through 2018 and $14.3 million through 2022.

    However, I'm guessing that Howard will get no such deal in 2017. Hence, the ACTUAL amount of what he'll lose out on throughout his entire career will probably be more than either of those two amounts.

    No, it's not. But don't worry. I'm with you on the general point that the Rockets would have a DECIDED advantage to re-sign Dwight Howard if they had his Bird rights.
     
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    Do you know what it is? TIA.
     
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    The whole Dwight career salary total calculation can get quite complicated, especially if one considers the fact that he will most likely be able to negotiate a player option for the last year of either a 4 year or 5 year contract. My guess is that Dwight will most likely decline his player option (after either year 3 or year 4, depending on the contract) next time around if he's still healthy and productive at the time so that he can guarantee himself the most amount of money at that time.

    The bottom line to me, though, is the $30M difference in GUARANTEED salary that he can get in 2013. One can consider all the different career earning scenarios in the subsequent years (depending on whether he signs a 4 or 5 year deal in 2013 and his level of play and health in 2016, 2017 or 2018; however, as Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and others have learned, there is a substantial injury risk even when you are relatively young and you don't want to trade what you can guarantee yourself right now in exchange for what you might get 3, 4 or 5 years in the future.
     
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    The real bottom line... is the endorsement $$$$$$... People can figure 30M, 50M whatever scenarios on whatever contract... but if yer countin ALL the duckets - it's all about the marketing. For example, I'd bet winning a championship in LA would be worth as much in endorsement deals in one year as the difference in bird rights on a 5 year deal.... jus sayin....
     
  15. Carl Herrera

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    The endorsement $ difference is overrated. If the large market/top team endorsement difference really outweighed the $30M guaranteed salary difference, DH would have opted out already and signed a 4 yr deal with Brooklyn instead of having to rely on ORL having to trade him where he can get a 5 yr deal.

    The guaranteed money obviously matters a lot to Dwight Howard.

    Also, now that Chris Bosh is an NBA champ in Miami, do you see more ads featuring him?
     
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    Dwight did plan to opt out of his player option. That is until he had that overnight flash of brilliance of "loyalty", and created this big ass soap opera which is worse than nails on a blackboard.
     
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    No, it's because his Opt-in was like a raise by 10% under the old CBA and a new 4 or 5 year contract would have started at like a 5% raise. Additionally, he set himself up to sign his 2nd 5-year contract at the new CBA latest 31 years old, if he's worth it.
     
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    all these Dwight talks are a waste. he won't be here. just like we tried to getting, amare, or melo. stop hoping guys.
     
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    Thanks Bima,

    I started writing a much more in depth response with calcs last night, but I got pulled away by the kiddos.

    a couple notes though. looks I had two key flaws in my calcs.
    1. I was compounding the interest...which is explicity not the case.
    2. I didn't take the over-36 rule into account. for some reason I thought he snuck right under, even though I had his age right there in front of me.

    a couple notes on your numbers though.
    1) the salary you have for Howard is a little higher than mine. I was using hoopshype as the source data for $19,261,200.

    2) I think you have the 105% rule turned around.
    A free agent's maximum salary in the first year of a new contract is never less than 105% of his salary in the last year of his previous contract. (source: CBAFAQ)

    3) haven't had a chance to crunch the numbers in detail but assuming year 1 would be a 7.5% increase as opposed to a 5% I think your final tally should be roughly $820k higher.

    4) would Carl's suggestion of making year 5 a player option allow for work around with the over-36 rule? and if so would the $30MM still be applicable. I will try and do my own math on this question a little later (stuck in meetings) but I always appreciate your input.
     
  20. BimaThug

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    You should use shamsports.com for your player salary information. It is far, far superior to hoopshype.

    Also, I think you are getting a little confused by the 105% rule and Larry Coon's use of the phrase "never less than" in his FAQs. Larry is saying that the MAXIMUM salary is never less than 105% of a player's prior salary. It is still the MAXIMUM salary, though. The point of that sentence is that a player is eligible to exceed the league-mandated maximum player salary (based on years of experience) in order to hit that 105% amount.

    As far as CH's player option idea, that's a distinct possibility. The downside for Dwight is that his 2017-18 salary would go down; but that would pail in comparison to being able to lock in a new five-year deal (through 2022) a year early and avoid being subjected to the Over-36 Rule.

    That said, I'm not exactly sure that the Rockets (or any team, for that matter) would be willing to hand out a contract of that size to a 31-year-old Dwight Howard.
     

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