Derrick Williams and Luke Ridnour for Anderson Varejao??

If this trade goes through, and Cleveland then goes into the upcoming season with no more major moves your looking at a possible starting lineup of:

Irving
Waiters
Williams
Thompson
Zeller

That's 2 rookies and 3 2nd year players with 4 of the 5 players being top 5 picks. While that is a lineup of potential and excietment, that is also a lineup that would feature alot of mistakes and turnovers.

 

Wrong it would increase,Cleveland is already under the cap if they get Williams/Ridnour for Varejao,they get even more capspace and can take back more of Orlando's bad contracts.

They could offer Orlando Zeller/Thompson/Gibson/Walton/2 1rd.Cleveland gets:Bynum/Turk/Duhon/Qrich and LA gets Dwight/Jrich.

Cleveland has a nice young foursome with Irving/Bynum/Waiters/Williams

 

you want to get bynum without giving up waiters, that's crazy talk.
(insert Lex's maniacal laughter)

 

Yeah I don't expect CLE to be stupid enough to offer All of that from D12's post with Bynum not signing an extention and guess what?

Bynum will not sign an extention with anyone just like Howard.

5 years > 3 years

 

Do they really think that low of Williams? Pau gasol would a much better fit with minny.

 

on Trade Machine, they have Steimsma too. I think we'll be fine. They can only play 5 on 5.

Lin = Rubio
Martin > Shved?
Parsons = Kirilenko
Patterson < Love
Asik = Pekovic
*************
Lamb > Budinger
Motie (O) = Varajao (D)
T.J.O. (my new Terrence Jones nick) > Cunningham
Douglas = Barrea
White (O) = Steimsma (D)

Starting 5 is a wash. Bench favors. For the vets that Minny has, we have more potential on paper, but performance wise, I don't expect Minny to make Playoff dreams come true. No matter HOW good Love is.

Lin drive > Martin 3 is going to be good.
Shved/Kirilenko PnR will kill us unless Asik near the post to change shots.
Rubio will make Shved look good.

Gonna be good games.

 

if asik = pekovic, i will be VERY happy. :grin:

 

Actually their cap space would decrease as Varejao is making 8.368 Mil this year while Williams and Ridnour make a combined 8.8 Mil. While that is minimal it does not increase Cleveland's cap space as you proclaimed.

 

but Bynum already said he would resign with Cleveland. he may change his mind, but if he says he won't, that's a fair bet.

 

i disagree very strongly.
Houston starting lineup is not close to Minny, and if the trade happens, bench will be better too.

Frontcourt: 96 minutes of Love/Pekovic/Varejao is elite. It's as good as any team in the league in the frontcourt, and incomparable to Houston right now.

Wings: Kirilenko/Brandon Roy/Shved vs. Martin/Parsons/Lamb.
It depends on Roy's health.
Kirilenko is the best wing player on both Minny and Houston.
But if Roy is mediocre, I could see about an even matchup here.
Shved is good. He will be very good in Adelman's system, if his Euro and Olympics play is any indication. IMO, there's rookie-soph game potential here. He can't defend P&R (at least yet), but offensively, he's a perfect Princeton guard off the bench.

Point: Lin/Livingston vs Rubio/Barea. Rubio is several levels higher defensively and as a distributor. Not a shooter, but neither is Lin. Lin might benefit more from McHale's offense than Rubio does from Adelman's (although Rubio did get a lot of freedom last year). Rubio may also not be completely healthy. On paper, a clear advantage to 'Sota, but it could end up about even for the reasons mentioned above.

It's better to compare it too a team like Utah or Denver, tbh. I like Minny's lineup more than either of those right now, but it seems close with Denver.

 

I think there was a report that debunked bynum saying he would resign.

 

indeed. but money commitments will be lower in future years. Not to mention potential. Williams+Ridnour will look much sexier for the Magic.

 

Cleveland doesn't want promises. They want him signed to an extension before any trade. They know all too well about promises.

 

interesting. i haven't seen anything like it. but obviously it may change things considerably, if true. no point for Cleveland to give up multiple talented pieces unless it's a sure thing.

 

that's pure unsubstantiated speculation on your part.
What you suggest (extension before the trade) is extremely unlikely. Bynum would have to take less money, or the trade would have to be delayed until trade deadline. The CBA does not allow extend-and-trade for max salary that Bynum can get.
Besides, it may be better for Bynum to wait for July in any case (he would get more years then).
So any team trading for him would be taking a little bit of risk. Nothing is guaranteed, but if Bynum made a promise, it's a fair bet. The question is, does he make that promise.

Boozer is a bad example btw. He screwed the Cavs to gain 30 extra mil. You suggest Bynum screwing the Cavs and losing money. Different situations.

 

Khan: Who's more white? Dwill or varejao?...hmm, assistant get the cavs on the phone!

 

Disagree. Terrible contract for a team in Cleveland's position.

 

i can see what you mean.
but (A) I think they are a strong contender for the 8th playoff spot if everyone is healthy, so probably we disagree on where Cleveland's at.
(B) a team would be silly to sell an asset much cheaper just because it doesn't want it. Varejao in this league is a commodity, especially at that price. Assuming he's healthier than lately, of course.

Overall, I do agree with your position, I agree that this deal would be lopsided for the Cavs. Just for different reasons (I think Varejao is very valuable, but Williams is a real deal, at the very least an above average starter for a decade on the right team).

 

Looky here.

 

I guess I can agree, but those disparities alot greater than such comparisons would show.

Love is like a far and away better player than Patterson. In fact, Love being a superstar caliber player puts the T-Wolves over the top, considering the teams are somewhat evenly matched.

Asik is a pretty good defender, but his impact will be anywhere near what Pekovic brings to court. I feel like Pekovic has the potential to be a top 7-10 center, while I feel like Asik is more of marginal starter who can provide good defense.

Toney Douglas has very few advantages over Barea.