Orl meet with mavs about Dwight, orlando also prefers lakers offer over rockets

Our superstars have tended toward some physical problem or another.

I know I'm being a little unreasonable. But if DH's heart isn't in it, if we lose really good young players for one year of renting him and then have to blow it up anyway instead of rebuilding THIS year or waiting for a more judicious trade....

Talk about a Pyrrhic victory.

I miss Rockets' relevancy, too. If we get DH (jopatmc would say "when"), I hope the planet spins the way you guys say it will and that I'm wrong.

Part of me hopes DH told Olajuwon he wants to play for Houston. Olajuwon said DH did say a team, which wasn't NJ. I won't believe it's Houston: there's no reason it would be; and we would have kept Courtney Lee if it were.

 

Not for 1 Year. 3 Maybe.

 

Wha.....wha....what!!! Did I hear my name being called???

Seriously guys, this thing is getting boring. The bottom line is Morey is trading for the guy. The only thing that changes that is if somehow Orlando can work up a deal with OKC or the Clippers (highly unlikely) or if Morey decides he can get Bynum for dirt cheap and he actually likes Bynum almost as much as DHoward and in the process of picking up Bynum, he can toss the Lakers into the deep luxury tax by them having to take on a salary dump from Orlando. In other words, Morey ain't trading for Bynum unless it is a trade that hamstrings the Lakers. VERY HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

Bottom line is IF Orlando decides to trade Howard (which they most assuredly have to do to keep him from walking), then he's coming to Houston. No sense in arguing about it or debating about whether it is the right thing or not. It is most likely (about 99%) going to happen.

So, we really should be discussing how Morey is going to build out around Howard to make us championship competitive THIS SEASON. Because that is the objective WHEN Howard gets here, to put a championship contending team on the floor THIS SEASON. But it is difficult to discuss that because we don't know what we will have left after the Howard trade.

Here's my best guess:

I think Parsons is here. Don't think Morey is going to include him in the trade. I think 2 of the 3 2012 draftees are gone to Orlando, most likely Lamb and Jones, along with Martin, the two draft picks and possibly one more player of substance (PPat or Morris) along with a bunch of those junk contracts. And I'm pretty sure we're getting back JRich's salary dump. The only question I really have is if Morey is going to stay stiff about not taking on any more salary or is he going to bring in Big Baby with DH and JR.

So, really, it's kinda difficult to speculate on the "next" move before this move is completed. But all the discussion about whether we should trade for Howard or not based on whether he wants to be here.....that should really stop. This offseason and the new CBA has proven that it really doesn't matter where Dwight wants to go. Morey has a plan whether Dwight re-signs or moves on and signs elsewhere. So you should be able to see the writing on the wall here and move on to discussing something else. Nothing new is happening on the Dwight trade front. It's a mexican standoff with Dwight's camp continuing to try to wiggle around and everytime they say something, they get hemmed in a little bit more. Lakers deal simply ain't happening unless Morey wants it to happen. Morey is holding all the aces here. We all just gonna hafta wait.

All right, bring in the kindergardners with their crayolas so they can draw pictures of people puking and post gifs of cartoon characters because they can't read more than 3 lines at a setting.

 

At first I didn't get it, but after a re-read I was like OOOHHHH SNAP!!!!

 

Gotta admire your consistency of message jopatmc... have a rec

 

I agree with everything you said, it's actually kind of funny when you think about the fact that there has been absolutely ZERO news lately on this crap, yet that doesn't stop us from talking about this over and over and over and....

 

I'm generally in alignment with your thinking on this issue, but you shouldn't discount the fact that cleveland might be willing to trade for bynum. Sure, we can beat them, but as others have pointed out the ability to pay for bynum is not the same as the willingness to offer up assets. We may decide that Cle is offering too much and walking away. I also have concerns about the minn trade. I think varejao is not as good as Martin, but if minn trades Derrick williams ( former no 2) and something else for varejao, all of a sudden things get dicier.

 

Dude, they CANNOT trump what Morey can give Henny, not to mention what Morey is offering Henny. Give it up already. All that Clevaland/LA bologna is simply bologna created by Fegan. There's nothing to it. N-o-t-h-i-n-g.

 

I'm still a little worried that Hennigan is pushing for a 3-way. They'd most likely get the most out of a deal if they can unload contracts to two different teams, and they might feel compelled to help Dwight where he wants to go. I'm not sure how hard Henny would actually push to do this, since the deal would depend on us, but I think it is something to be slightly concerned about.

 

Believe me, I'm 90% aligned with your position, including even the worry that OKC is biding its time to figure out the full proposal before stepping in (they can't pay both Ibaka and harden near maxes) but they could convert them to Dwight if they wanted. It's a good deal for magic because they could flip those two guys for real value.

However, morey does really lowball, and I could see Cle overpaying for Bynum. If they overpay, I have no doubt morey could match, but he may not want to. For example, let's say Cle trades sideshow bob for Williams and a first. Add to that waiters and zeller, picks (yes low, but three including the Sacr pick) expirings and two bad contracts. We can beat that, but maybe we decide the price is too high? I don doubt Fegan started the rumor, bu that doesn't mean Cle doesn't decide to go for Bynum. I think we all agree he stays where he's traded.

 

I agree that he would prefer a three way. It not

 

Only appeases Howard and Fegan but gets the best package because HOU and la can share bad contracts.

 

Japanese Inspection

Fred Thompson as "Big John" in Days of Thunder.

"Now y'all heard of a "Japanese Inspection?" you see, when the Japanese get in a load of lettuce they're not sure they wanna let in the country, why they'll just let it sit there on the dock 'til they get good and ready to look at it. But then of course, it's all gone rotten... ain't nothing left to inspect. You see, lettuce is a perishable item... like you two monkeys."

If Dwight Howard doesn't want to play in Houston but the Rocks insist on trading for him against his will, well he can just give them the old Japanese inspection treatment for a year.

"My back hasn't come around the way I'd hoped. The pain and soreness is lingering, I may have to seek another opinion, who knows? maybe more surgery and more rehab. It's tough to say right now. All I know is it's going to be awhile before I'm good to go".

Who could argue with that? Back injuries are tricky right? Nobody can say for sure when he'll be ready or if he'll be the same when he returns.

He has an air tight excuse that he can't be criticized for because nobody really knows about these things.

If the Rockets can force him to Houston against his will then he can certainly turn the tables on them.

 

After a couple weeks of chewing on it, I would probably rather trade DMo instead of Lamb. Close though.


DMO+Marcus Morris+Toronto Lottery pick+Martin is what I would give up at max.

 

1% will win.

Why??



Basketball Reasons.

Hahaha nahh I agree with you.

 

Yeah right. Please go away CDave, nobody likes you.

The person Dwight would be hurting most by doing that is... Himself. He's going to do that in a contract year? BS.

 

What is Morey offering? I don't remember any credible sources giving information on what we actually offered.

 

I would rather Lamb go than Dmo. Scoring wings not named Lebron/Durant are easily replaceable. Skilled 4s with Gasol/Dirk potential are not.

 

Yeah, pretty much in agreement with you. Rockets seems to have the best pkg that the Magic wants (first round draft picks, high potential young players, and the ability to take on bad contracts). Even with all the chatter about where Howard could get traded to and why, more likely than not, I too would say that Howard will end up in Houston.

And I think there's a really good chance that Howard can be convinced to stay. First of all, he's got a big man coach in Mchale who can help him with his game and relate to him (since Mchale's a 3 time NBA champion and a hall of famer). As well, Howard could have relatively easy access to Olajuwon if he wants some lessons and mentoring (he's worked with him before and as Olajuwon said, he'll be "step 2" if the Rockets actually acquire him).

Furthermore, Howard will have a very good pick and roll player in Lin and with Asik as the back-up, they'll have one of the biggest line ups in the league at the center position. Plus they've got great young talent in whoever that doesn't get traded. In regards to Parsons - yes, agreed, don't think Morey will include him in the trade (I think he's too much of a talent to give up, especially if Howard doesn't end up staying). Lastly, a more minor consideration, with Lin who will help the Rockets continue to increase their presence and marketability in Asia, Howard will benefit from this as well. Whether this is a minor point or not for Howard, it is nevertheless a factor.

I think Houston can be a great place for Howard, but I think his main fear in being traded here is the current construction of their roster (he's willing to go to Dallas, so why not Houston given all the positives I just mentioned). As long as Morey gets him, which is more likely than not, and as jopatmc said, Morey's next immediate step needs to be thinking about which players to add in order to build a championship team and firmly secure Howard's stay in Houston.

 

D-Mo is untouchable. In fact, so is Lamb. Screw this trade. Let Orlando fleece someone else. Dwama is a top ten player, but he 1. doesn't want to be a Rocket and 2. just had back surgery. I repeat. Screw. This. Trade.

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