Boston Mayor Letter to Chick-Fil-A bashes them over their anti-gay stance

I never said that... Your putting words in my mouth.

Im talking about issues that effect morals and ethics, right and wrong. That should be obvious for someone as smart as you!

 

Yes. It'd be great to see a genuine Christian concern for the poor.

"My whole being will exclaim, Who is like you, 0 LORD? You rescue the poor from those too strong for them, the poor and needy from those who rob them.'" Psalm 35:10

" Because of the oppression of the weak and the groaning of the needy, I will now arise, says the LORD, I will protect them from those who malign them. " Psalm 12:5

"The LORD enters into judgment against the elders and leaders of his people: It is you who have ruined my vineyard; the plunder from the poor is in your houses. What do you mean by crushing my people and grinding the faces of the poor?' declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty." Isaiah 3:14-15

"If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth." 1 John 3:17-18

 

All of these issues involve morals and ethics. People are affected immensely depending on what happens.

For example, allowing brand companies to grant "exclusive generics" rights to certain generics producers as a legal settlement of sorts, keeps costs high on certain life-essential drugs for an extended period of time, denying many the opportunity to sustain themselves on an adequate drug-care program.

but i wonder what takes more time in sermons---discussing issues of substance like this, or going on moral tirades of "non-condemnation" on personal issues that affect nearly nobody.

 

The scriptures you are quoting are in the old testament. The laws changed in the new testament after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Im not going to get into a theological debate though, unless you want to in which you can message me.

As for why I care what they do...

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, so that whoever believes in him shall not parish but have eternal life

Matthew 28:19-20, 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

I am just as much a sinner as the gayest people out there, but I was shown the grace of God and I repented of those sins, now it is my (along with everyone who has put their faith in God) job to share the gift that was given to me.

You do not have to agree with me, but you ask why I care? Thats why.

 

repped.

complete pwn3rship

 

Well I guess I don't know to much about those issues. But I encourage you to go to a church service next sunday, Im guessing you would be surprised at what you would hear.

 

Nope.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Matthew 5:17

Please, get everybody to stop the mushroom cuts and bacon-eating. Surely, that's under your mandate.

 

You have to put every verse in context. When I say "in the Old Testament" Its not just the books in the old testament, its old testament law. Which was anything before the death and resurrection of Jesus. That verse is either before the death and resurrection, or its referring to a different part of the law.

 

I've actually been a few times. I was disappointed each and every time.

I find great passages in the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita etc., but seldom do I find anything of substance when people sit down and quote select parts of it to justify whatever doctrine they want to push in the week.

With that said, if you could get some Christians who could think coherently on several issues of substance, AND who can have fun without moralizing every irrelevant detail, that would be something I might actually enjoy.

 

There are more than most see. I couldnt begin to count how many mission teams are all over the world, including America, trying to hep the poor. But you are correct, there still should be more.

 

Nope.

 

As Jesus said in the quote already listed. The laws didn't change. It looks like people's interpretation of them was wrong according to Jesus, because he was going against specific laws listed in the Old testament.

Jesus went on to talk about people who obey the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law.

Now, all that aside, I understand that you think gay marriage is a sin. So how about if you don't enter into a gay marriage? Problem solved right?

That way if two ladies or two guys do believe it's not a sin, then they can enter into a same sex marriage, but you are still free from what you think is a sin.

Most people in the United States believe it's okay to have different beliefs. So why should only your belief get turned into law?

 

I don't know what you mean by "without moralizing every irrelevant detail" but I can assure you that anytime I go hang out with my christian friends, we have a great time. And we arent sitting around singing hymns the whole time.

It sucks that you have had a bad experience with church, I pray someday you will go to a church and hear a pastor that appropriately conveys what it truly means to be a christian.

 

Because, those kind of Christians are crazy. What kind of Christian is supposed to stand up against financial institutions, the government, and the Church itself, in effort to protect the poor and oppressed. Those are wouldn't be Christians, they'd be socialists.

Don't get me started on those Christians who speak up for aliens ... aka foreigners or immigrants.


Exodus 23:9
“You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.


Colossians 3:11
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:28
Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all.


Leviticus 19:10 (FOr those same Christians or people who like to liberally quote those odd passages about perceived homosexuality, I've never seen them turn around and use this quote when someone brings up immigration/foreigners/strangers/even illegal immigrants)

And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 10:19

And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt.

 

Like I said, Im not going to get into a theological debate on this thread because thats not what its about. If you would like to talk theology, send me a message and I will do my best to have a discussion about any verse you bring to me.

 

They're probably more exceptions than the rule, but let's just say that my definition of a good time involves some of these Christians "moralizing" for no good reason, for lack of a better word.

Thanks for the well wishes; I will keep them in mind. I sincerely hope that you too can open your perspectives. Being a Christian, if nothing else, means being engaged with the world around you, and if that extends to issues of substance, I have nothing but kudos for you.

 

didn't read all the pages, but did this board take the usual liberal/donkey side on this one?

 

gays in this country are estimated to be outnumbered 10 to 1. I don't think anyone expected the numbers to be the same.

it was the great american debate carried out in the form of a franchise chicken store.

here's a funnier and more lighthearted version of the same debate from the Hollywood location.

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I love America, don't you?

 

Mostly have a few liberals pointing out that the modern emphasis of Christianity is possibly not consistent with the new testament, and you have one poster that does not want his entire foundation compromised, so he is arguing points not all able to coherently provide support for his view point. He looks like a fat kid trying to swim with his arms tied behind his back and an apple shoved in his mouth.